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‘I’d rather sell my soul than save it’ | Is Lecrae leaving the Church?

Deon
May 27, 2014

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Last Updated: 1/12/2015

Last week, we published a post discussing the former gospel artist Mali Music and his conversion from Christ-centered music to “Main-Steam” (Secular).

Sadly, this post will be another portrait of the systematic approach to infiltrate Christian Music and pull its most influential artists over to “The Dark-side”.

lecrael For those who don’t know, The former Christian rap-star known as Lecrae (Who no longer wishes to be labeled a “Christian Rapper”) quickly took the spotlight in the music Industry with his Christ-centered lyrics and inspirational message of hope.

Lecrae’s music career was not started with the hopes of fame or fortune, but merely as a way to reach out to the troubled youth in a nearby detention center through rap. It was this passion that lead Lecrae and a friend to create their record Label now known as Reach Records.

As time progressed, Lecrae grew not only as an artist, but as a prominent figure in the Christian community. With the full support of Christians everywhere, It was clear that Lecrae had a bright, prominent, and imminent future in the Music industry — Not just to make album sales, but to impact lives for Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately —  in 2010 “main-stream” music took notice of the potential of this upcoming star and his growing influence within the Christian community.

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It was then that Lecrae began to be bombarded with potential offers and opportunities from different multimillion dollar agencies willing to help him grow and expand as an artist if he would only partner with them.

Not long after, rumors emerged of a possible partnership between the Gospel artist Lecrae and the notorious rap-star Jay-z who has been accused on several occasions of being affiliated with the Satanic “cult” known as the ‘Illuminati’.

In an interview — Lecrae called Jay-z his favorite “business man” (Funaro, 2012).

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Lecrae responded to these accusations by denying the claims — Stating that they were merely “Rumors”. After hearing this comforting message from their favorite artist, Lecrae’s adoring fans continued to both follow and support him.


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Despite the “Rumors” about Lecrae’s conversion from Gospel to mainstream — thousands of fans continued to support him while denying that any change had occurred.

Lecrae’s fans silenced critics by assuring them that Lecrae was still a Christ-centered artist and nothing would change. And for a while it appeared that they were correct.

Unfortunately, not very long after that — Lecrae publicly denounced being labeled a “Christian rapper” — and instead settled for being known as a “Rapper” who happens to be Christian.

Doing this raised many eyebrows within the Christian community.  Although the artist still professed to be a follower of Christ — his Music, Lyrics, and Mannerisms (when not surrounded by Christians) began to display a slightly different story.

In an article by Meeke Adison of UrbanFamilyTalk, she stated the following…

Why are some churchy people giving Lecrae a hard time? Why are we questioning his judgment and cautious of his influence? The answer is simple: We just can’t get with his raw beats. No, that’s not true; we were drawn to his rawness. Maybe it’s all the tattoos he’s been sporting lately. Of course not! Even pastors are sporting tats in their desire to be “relevant.” Well, maybe we’re all secretly jealous of his success. Yes, that’s it. The Church has a way of wanting to keep its most talented locked away in the choir robe closet.

All exaggeration aside, the truth of the matter is this: If Lecrae were looking at himself objectively, he would caution church leaders considering “bringing him in.” In his attempt to reach and engage today’s hip hop culture, Lecrae has made some decisions that are destructive to the souls of men.


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Lecrae Goes Main-stream:

Whether or not Lecrae actually signed some secret “Under-the-table” deal  is not the focus of this post. Our primary goal is to examine the obviously noticeable change in Lecrae’s message.

lecrae-church-clothesChurch Clothes: Volumes 1 & 2

As a Christian and Musician, I have always enjoyed listening to Lecrae’s Christ-centered music.

If you are anything like me, then you have probably noticed what seems to be a “drought” in the Christian music industry with most of the artists being “old school” or just flat-out “lame”.

But this was not so with Lecrae — his awesome lyrics and “down to earth” mentality added a surge of new life to Christian Music everywhere and I for one thanked God for blessing him with an anointing that was able to reach TODAY’s youth.

So when I downloaded his latest mixtape “Church Clothes Vol.2”, I noticed something very different about the direction of Lecrae’s new projects (not exclusive to this mixtape)…

  1. He was now featuring secular artists
    (such as Kendrick Lamar, Pete Rock, Rapsody, David Banner, B.o.B, Paul Wall, Bun B)
  2. The spirit behind the Music has changed (I will explain later)
  3. If you listen closely, his Lyrics seem to have become, well — Sinister.

And it turns out that I was not the only one who felt this way.

Recently, Lecrae faced a massive backlash from the Christian community regarding his new direction. This “New Direction” involves not only close collaboration with secular artists, drugs, and club performances — but what appears to be an anti-church mentality.

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As I began to listen to the songs on Lecrae’s latest mixtape, to my surprise I noticed not only attacks on his fellow Christians (of all people) — but there were also a few lines in his verses that left me quite disturbed.

Within the Lyrics of his song “Church Clothes”, Lecrae spared no expense to bash his Christian critics for their disapproval…

Some of these folks won’t tell the truth
Too busy try’na get them racks man
Church try’na rob my paychecks
Choir members probably having gay sex

Pastor manipulatin‘ hurtin’ women
I wonder which he’s gon’ slay next
Bookstore pimpin’ them hope books
Like God don’t know how broke looks
And telling me that I’m gon’ reap a mil’
If I sow into these low crooks
Plus I know ol’ girl a freak
And how she singin’ a solo

I walked in the church wit a snapback
And they tellin’ me that that’s a “no-no”?
That’s backwards, and I lack words
For these actors called pastors
ALL these folks is hypocrites
And that’s why I ain’t at church

Although we all can attest that there are definitely some false pastors out there who are only trying to make a quick buck — I found it shocking that as an alleged follower of Christ, Lecrae could openly bash the Church as a WHOLE by implying that they are all “Hypocrites”.

Even though this line is partially true, what profit will come from broadcasting this to the unbelieving world? The only thing that this line can possibly do is DISCOURAGE people from going to Church.

But if they are not going to Church, where are they going to hear the word of God at?

In the Streets? In the Clubs?

I have a problem with Lecrae’s verse, not because it is not true — but rather because it ads unnecessary shame to the body of Christ as a whole.

Although the pastor may be a crook, if he is teaching from the word of God then God’s word alone is powerful to impact lives and change hearts no matter what the spiritual condition of the one reading the words.

(Philippians 1:15-16 KJV)  Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:   The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

(Philippians 1:17-18 KJV)  But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Here we can see that the Apostle Paul clearly states that there indeed were people preaching Christ for the wrong reasons — yet Paul said that he will rejoice because Christ is nonetheless still being preached — even if its for the wrong reasons.

The Church already faces enough criticism from the world, therefore for Lecrae to feed into this by openly blasting “Church Folk” was a bad decision (on a good day).

Lecrae: What Perspective?

Now I am sure that some of my readers will try to defend Lecrae’s lyrics by claiming that he was only rapping from the perspective of a non-christian.

Although this could indeed answer for SOME instances, for this defense to be applied to every questionable instance would be intellectually irresponsible (at best).


Similar Article: Was Lecrae Rapping from a Non-Christian Perspective?


So after pointing out that there are “crooks” in the Church — Lecrae uses this flawed reasoning as an excuse to exclude himself from the Church and INTO the secular community.

In many of his songs, he makes mention of his secular friends — but I find it amazing that Lecrae can criticize a “Choir Member” who may be struggling with fornication or homosexuality — yet be perfectly comfortable hangin’ out with an unbeliever who isn’t even TRYING to live for Christ.

In an attempt to infiltrate the Secular– has Lecrae been infiltrated?

In the video, Lecrae begins inside a church — But after declaring that he believes that many Christians are hypocrites, He Exits the church.

The following screenshot shows the clip.

(Could this be symbolic for leaving The Church?)

Lecrae Leaves The Church

Here is another excerpt from the same song…

Truthfully I’m just doin’ me
And I don’t wanna face no scrutiny
As long as the church keep wildin’ out
I can justify all my foolish deeds
Smoking weed, pourin’ up
Keep that lean up in my cup
Maybe I could change the world
But this porn on my laptop got me stuck
Yeah I know what’s right from wrong
But that there ain’t gon sell a song
I rather sell my soul then save it
If that’s what make my money long

In this verse, Lecrae makes it clear that he doesn’t want to face “scrutiny” from his Christian critics for his new direction.


Again, for those who think he is rapping SOLELY from the perspective of a non-Christian — I suggest you read this article immediately.


Here is another snippet from his newest mixtape titled “Co-sign pt.2″…

Leaking out that syntax
Never left but I been back
Cross on my big-knack
And I don’t rap Gospel, I live that
But I’m nothin’ but a gimmick?
You Seen me in a club?
hmm-Funny, you was in it?
Skip a co-sign shout out to the homey Kendrick
And all I hear is crickets
When I run into the critics (Christians)

Now any Christian can immediately determine that something in this verse does not quite add up.

Lecrae says that he doesn’t just rap Gospel, but instead he Lives it. But he then follows that by stating that he is a regular attendee in club activity? (Where they do that at?)

But wait, isn’t Lecrae rapping from the perspective of a NON-Christian?? If so then who would Criticize a non-Christian for being in a club?

Lecrae on 106&Park

I am sure some of my readers may be thinking ..


“Well Deon, what is wrong with Lecrae going to the Club and hanging out With non-believers? Didn’t Jesus Do It?”

What does the Bible have to say about fellowship with Unbelievers?

(2 Corinthians 6:14)  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what friendship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what agreement hath light with darkness?

Here we can clearly see that the Bible discourages such activity. But in order to understand the reason why the bible tells us to avoid this, lets examine another scripture.

(1 Corinthians 15:33)  Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

(1 Corinthians 15:34)  Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

In regards to Jesus’s actions – People use the fact that Jesus was always near sinners to justify keeping their evil communication. This is a gross “Stretching” of scripture.

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Did Jesus “Hang out” with non-believers?

Despite what many may people have been lead to believe –
Jesus did NOT hang around non-believers –But they hung around Him.
(Big difference)

When Jesus began his ministry, It was his ministry that caused unbelievers to flock to him — almost like sheep.

(Mark 6:34 KJV)  And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.

They recognized the Light and they realized they were actually in darkness. The people who followed Jesus were attracted to his Light — not to the fact that he could “Relate” to their sin.

Jesus did not alter his behavior to appease or relate to the people, instead he simply let his light shine — and all those who were attracted to his Light, Jesus would not turn away.

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this is Immensely different from Lecrae’s approach to reach the lost.

Jesus did not diminish his Light in order to “Relate” to the sinners nor did he alter or water-down his message in hopes of appeasing the sinners. Jesus did not walk up to the Tax collectors and offer to help them steal money so he could then “Show his Light”.

Yet this is the approach that Lecrae has taken

Light Vs. Darkness

Instead of Lecrae allowing the Light to attract all those whom God has called, it honestly seems as if he has decided to disguise his light as “Darkness” in an attempt to reach those that are in Darkness.

Therefore in an attempt to reach the lost, Lecrae has made every effort possible to separate his faith from his music.

But what Lecrae doesn’t realize is that Darkness and Light can never coexist. Therefore the only way to resemble Darkness — is to enter it.

Positive Music Vs Christ-centric

Some may argue that just because Lecrae makes a few inappropriate references within his song doesn’t make his music bad because it is still mostly positive-music — but this thinking is very Deceptive.

Imagine if someone gives you a cake but then tells you that 1% of it is poison…

Would you take a bite?

Would you even lick the frosting?poison

Most people would NOT, so why do we want to accept this in anything else?

It doesn’t matter of 90% of Lecrae’s lyrics are positive — 10% of spiritual poison is more than enough to cause serious harm to your spiritual life.

Here is another excerpt from a song on Lecrae’s latest mixtape
(Song: “Devil in Disguise”)

Where am I going? What I’m living for?
I rolled the dice on life so tell me what they getting for it
I’m three shots in, probably depressed
But crying about my problems ain’t gonna get me out this mess
Ride around playing Scarface, I’m a hard case
I want to die, but I’m scared of looking in God’s face
Popping pills and powder, trying to kill some hours
Cause when I’m sober, man I promise I can feel the power
Of death eating me slowly I’m on my way
Heaven or Hell? Well that’s only for God to say

Now I must say that I found these lyrics to be not only very disappointing, but also very disturbing. Nothing about this passage resembles the Love and Grace that we have received from God through Jesus Christ.

(Ephesians 4:29)  “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

Judging by God’s standards — Would you say that anything in that last excerpt by Lecrae was edifying?

But wait! there is more — he continues in the next verse…

 If God’s real, I believe he became a man
Otherwise, ain’t no other way to understand
What it’s like to be me
What it’s like to be an outcast tempted by all the devil’s diseases
So if it pleases Him to rescue a fool
I’ll be drowning in a pool of liquor to keep cool
Smoking a Kool, like the old heads do
Call me Nat King Cole, like I’m gonna spread blue
Pain a pest, I been trying to smoke it out
But it never seems to die when I choke it out
I try to drink it away but my stomach swell
And what I’m drinking on earth, I’ll probably throw up in Hell, well

As a Christian, who cannot be disgusted by this?

In many interviews, Lecrae was asked about his new direction — but because he has a working knowledge of the bible he is usually able to give an answer that can please a christian crowd — but his answers simply do not align with his lifestyle.

According to the Bible, It is not what we say that matters – It is what we do.

(Matthew 7:16-18)  By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The Spirit of the Music

Although these are only a few excerpts from 2 songs on his mixtape, as I compare the “New” Lecrae to the Old — I can do nothing but *sigh* in disappointment.

There was once a time when not only was Lecrae’s lyrics Christ centered, but the spirit of God accompanied his lyrics wherever they traveled because they were being used to exalt Christ.

It wasn’t Lecrae’s charisma that lead him to the top of the charts, It was the spirit of God that accompanied the message of Christ that he preached.

But now — we are witnessing lecrae’s music being stripped of its power, leaving nothing but “Raw Beatz” and mainstream collaborations.

Although Lecrae’s NEW audience may be pleased with his Music, those us who have been there from the start are beginning to miss the old Lecrae.


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 UPDATE:

This post was written May 27, 2014 (almost 8 months ago).

It was written to discuss the current status of the artist Lecrae — but it was not meant to be a final conclusion pertaining to his standing with the Christian community.

Fortunately since writing this post we have received messages from our readers informing us that they have indeed noticed that Lecrae’s music and direction is beginning to return to its former state (Christ-centered).

Check this out…

“Deon, My wife and I went to Lecrae and Andy Mineo’s concert here in Atlanta a couple of months ago. In Lecrae’s set, a lot of context was given before and after each song he performed.

The context centered around Jesus and our need for him. He framed the set around brokenness leads to a need for grace, and how the scars from our past can become reminders of the grace of God.

My wife cried, because we’ve been dealing with some current problems stemming from previous relationships. The message resonated with her, as well as the diverse crowd of people that were there as well who cried and worshiped Jesus throughout the set.

– Trent D.

Whether or not this post along with the voices of many in the Christian community had anything to do with it — This is truly great news!

As the author of this piece as well as a fellow Christian, I must confess that although it needed to be done — writing such an article about a fellow believer pained me very much.

But sometimes hearing a little sharp criticism from those who love us is exactly what we need to thrust us back in the right direction.

With that being said, this post was not written to bash Lecrae or diminish his image or character in any sense, instead it was written to encourage him to examine a few of his actions that could be deemed questionable by the Christian community.

But as a final thought, I declare that I will never stop supporting Lecrae as long as he is genuinely seeking to be conformed to the image of Christ.

Even If I am forced to write another post about something else questionable in the future, If he continues striving — then I will continue striving with him.

(Proverbs 27:17 KJV)  “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”

As Christians, we all fall and make mistakes — but because I have faith in God, I am convinced that God will always lead his sheep back to him, even when they have gone astray.

After all, God is the best Father.

(Philippians 1:6 KJV)  “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:”

 


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  • shabreka

    wow, i have no words. i noticed the difference in Lecrae’s music also. when listening to “prayin’ for you” then listening to the music he has mde recently…a change is detected

    • deon_L

      Thanks for your comment Shabreka!

      But I totally agree, I was very disappointed when I heard his latest album — the lyrics no longer reflect Christ as they once did.

  • shabreka

    wow, i have no words. i noticed the difference in Lecrae’s music also. when listening to “prayin’ for you” then listening to the music he has mde recently…a change is detected

    • deon_L

      Thanks for your comment Shabreka!

      But I totally agree, I was very disappointed when I heard his latest album — the lyrics no longer reflect Christ as they once did.

  • rick

    Some of these folks won’t tell the truth
    Too busy try’na get them racks
    man Church try’na rob my paychecks
    Choir members probably having gay sex –

    The song you referenced on Church Clothes Vol. 1 talking about corrupt pastors, he was speaking from the perspective of a non-believer or someone who has become frustrated because of all of the perceived hypocrisy. Yet you falsely claim it is Lecrae who holds these sentiments. Surely you’re familiar with the literary concept of vantage points. The point was to show that he acknowledges their concern. I suggest you research that song and adjust your article accordingly because most people who are familiar with Lecrae’s work will discount you because of your inaccuracies.
    As it stands now, most of your article reads like a conspiracy theory from an author with an overactive imagination

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your response,

      We have already addressed the point that claims that lecrae was simply speaking from “Vantage Points”.

      Feel free to go read the blog post where we disproved this theory http://deonvsearth.com/lecrae-gospel-music-christian-rap/

      • rick

        I read it. Your logic is faulty.

        I’ve said enough on this issue and won’t engage with you any further.

        • dlundy1

          My logic is faulty?

          QUOTE: “I’m not saying you don’t have valid concerns but why post a link to this article in the comments section of his facebook?”

          Make up your mind — either I have valid concerns or I DON’T.

      • It is not a “theory” Wow…why are we so opposed to one another? I believe this is more of the fulfillment of true prophecy than what is in his lyrics…Just my humble opinion…Pastor Beverly Jenkins

        • dlundy1

          Beverly,

          Thanks again for your comment.

          If you read the post carefully, you will notice that I am not “Opposed” to Lecrae — instead I am opposed to the fundamental SHIFT in his music that has caused him to MUZZLE the Gospel of Christ in exchange for wide-spread promotion.

          But I must ask you, Are you keeping up with Lecrae’s latest songs?

          I know some people are still hanging on to the OLD Lecrae (whom I loved by the way) and defending his OLD songs, lyrics, and direction. But this is not what we hear TODAY.

          I’d suggest you download Lecrae’s latest albums and examine the songs closely — you will find that the messages of certain songs are no longer compatible with the Christian-perspective.

          • Yes, I will take a listen to the newest CD. The release I just heard was about his wife, which I find great and admirable in a world where marriage is so dishonored. I look at that as a show of good fruit. Most of the Gospel rap artist I have followed so far have shown great…no better qualities in marriage than a great deal of our promininent Christian leaders. They have definitely made marriage an important topic. I appreciate that a GREAT deal.

          • dlundy1

            I think I know which song you are referencing, I think it is good that Lecrae can song-write about his wife. But with that being said, on his new album you will notice that although SOME of his songs are indeed Christian, there are other songs that don’t seem to live up to the same standard.

            I think you would have to listen to the songs carefully in order to understand what I am saying.

            But please listen critically, many of his Christian fans assume that he meant something “good” even when he says something bad.

            As both a Musician and a songwriter, I noticed the fundamental shift in not only his Lyrics but also in the SPIRIT of the Music (literally).

            I know that Lecrae does not create the actual music that he raps to, but I can actually tell that whoever created some of the tracks were not inspired by God.
            ( hard to explain, but I can definitely feel the difference)

            But you would have to listen to the Album yourself in order to fully understand what I’m saying. Once you check it out, I would appreciate it if you would come back and give me your opinion!

  • rick

    Some of these folks won’t tell the truth
    Too busy try’na get them racks
    man Church try’na rob my paychecks
    Choir members probably having gay sex –

    The song you referenced on Church Clothes Vol. 1 talking about corrupt pastors, he was speaking from the perspective of a non-believer or someone who has become frustrated because of all of the perceived hypocrisy. Yet you falsely claim it is Lecrae who holds these sentiments. Surely you’re familiar with the literary concept of vantage points. The point was to show that he acknowledges their concern. I suggest you research that song and adjust your article accordingly because most people who are familiar with Lecrae’s work will discount you because of your inaccuracies.
    As it stands now, most of your article reads like a conspiracy theory from an author with an overactive imagination

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your response,

      We have already addressed the point that claims that lecrae was simply speaking from “Vantage Points”.

      Feel free to go read the blog post where we disproved this theory http://deonvsearth.com/lecrae-gospel-music-christian-rap/

      • rick

        I read it. Your logic is faulty.

        I’ve said enough on this issue and won’t engage with you any further.

        • dlundy1

          My logic is faulty?

          QUOTE: “I’m not saying you don’t have valid concerns but why post a link to this article in the comments section of his facebook?”

          Make up your mind — either I have valid concerns or I DON’T.

      • It is not a “theory” Wow…why are we so opposed to one another? I believe this is more of the fulfillment of true prophecy than what is in his lyrics…Just my humble opinion…Pastor Beverly Jenkins

        • dlundy1

          Beverly,

          Thanks again for your comment.

          If you read the post carefully, you will notice that I am not “Opposed” to Lecrae — instead I am opposed to the fundamental SHIFT in his music that has caused him to MUZZLE the Gospel of Christ in exchange for wide-spread promotion.

          But I must ask you, Are you keeping up with Lecrae’s latest songs?

          I know some people are still hanging on to the OLD Lecrae (whom I loved by the way) and defending his OLD songs, lyrics, and direction. But this is not what we hear TODAY.

          I’d suggest you download Lecrae’s latest albums and examine the songs closely — you will find that the messages of certain songs are no longer compatible with the Christian-perspective.

          • Yes, I will take a listen to the newest CD. The release I just heard was about his wife, which I find great and admirable in a world where marriage is so dishonored. I look at that as a show of good fruit. Most of the Gospel rap artist I have followed so far have shown great…no better qualities in marriage than a great deal of our promininent Christian leaders. They have definitely made marriage an important topic. I appreciate that a GREAT deal.

          • dlundy1

            I think I know which song you are referencing, I think it is good that Lecrae can song-write about his wife. But with that being said, on his new album you will notice that although SOME of his songs are indeed Christian, there are other songs that don’t seem to live up to the same standard.

            I think you would have to listen to the songs carefully in order to understand what I am saying.

            But please listen critically, many of his Christian fans assume that he meant something “good” even when he says something bad.

            As both a Musician and a songwriter, I noticed the fundamental shift in not only his Lyrics but also in the SPIRIT of the Music (literally).

            I know that Lecrae does not create the actual music that he raps to, but I can actually tell that whoever created some of the tracks were not inspired by God.
            ( hard to explain, but I can definitely feel the difference)

            But you would have to listen to the Album yourself in order to fully understand what I’m saying. Once you check it out, I would appreciate it if you would come back and give me your opinion!

          • Joseph ‘JR’ Chomba

            Lecrae using a ghostwriter?, baseless accusations, we have heard the album a thousand times, what you are doing is fault finding, you will always find a fault if you are looking for one, the pharisees found many in Jesus, not only Jesus but many other people sent by God in the bible. just like you are finding faults in the brother, i find many faults in this article starting from the title, which makes me doubt the genuineness of the whole article, we all see it.

          • andrea

            I’m just reading this article. Beverly Jenkins, did you listen to the new cd? What did you think?

  • rick

    I’m not saying you don’t have valid concerns but why post a link to this article in the comments section of his facebook? The picture had absolutely nothing to do with music or ministry. Just an image of him with his “ATL Family”. I find that inappropriate.

    • dlundy1

      Thank you for agreeing that this new direction by lecrae is a cause for concern.

      But I am a big believer that If you cannot say something TO a person, then you should not say it AT ALL.

      My hope is that Lecrae will see the post and understand the error of his ways. Therefore I am sorry that you feel that it is inappropriate, but I feel that it was very appropriate to accomplish my purpose of sharing the content WITH him instead of ABOUT him.

  • rick

    I’m not saying you don’t have valid concerns but why post a link to this article in the comments section of his facebook? The picture had absolutely nothing to do with music or ministry. Just an image of him with his “ATL Family”. I find that inappropriate.

    • dlundy1

      Thank you for agreeing that this new direction by lecrae is a cause for concern.

      But I am a big believer that If you cannot say something TO a person, then you should not say it AT ALL.

      My hope is that Lecrae will see the post and understand the error of his ways. Therefore I am sorry that you feel that it is inappropriate, but I feel that it was very appropriate to accomplish my purpose of sharing the content WITH him instead of ABOUT him.

  • rick

    ANOTHER ERROR : KENDRICK LAMAR was NEVER on Church Clothes 2. Kendrick Lamar and Lecrae have never been on the same song or album! He simply referenced his friendship with him in the lyrics!

    There are way too many errors in your article, sir. Seems to me you don’t listen carefully.

    • dlundy1

      Your information is incorrect.

      Although Kendrick Lamar was not on CCvol2- he featured Lecrae on his “Backseat” freestyle.

      But your attempt to find a small inconsistency to ARGUE about seems to display that you have an unspoken loyalty to Lecrae no matter which direction he has taken — If you are a Christian, this is sad — If you are not, then that explains so much.

      Were you also looking for TYPOS within the article? I wouldn’t be surprised.

      But lets examine the BOTTOM-LINE:
      – It doesn’t matter if I call his Mixtape an “Album”
      – It doesn’t matter if I call his partnership with someone a FEATURE

      What MATTERS is that Lecrae is indeed forming a partnership with the ungodly world. So whether you choose to accept the information or not is not my concern — my concern is only sharing the truth.

      And the truth is that Lecrae no longer wants to be called a “Christian Rapper” (his own words).

      But instead he has taken great lengths to separate his music from the “Christian” genre.

      THAT is what matters my friend. So stop trying to find fault within the article and receive the fundamental message that Lecrae’s own words PROVE.

      • rick

        Tyos? Let’s stay on track, ok?
        No, sir. I was not looking for typos. I was looking to determine whether or not your arguments were supported by truthful facts. I apologize if my tone is hostile but I really suggest you reflect on the tone of your message but most importantly, do a thorough investigation of some of your claims.
        I find that there are too many inconsistencies and distortions of the truth to find you credible.

        -mixtape vs album? What does this have to do with anything?

        -partnership called a feature? You’re right it doesn’t matter…but it does matter if this partnership exists at all.

        And you are again, WRONG in regards to Kendrick Lamar. The Backseat freestyle is not an official song. Some random DJ put them together Those lyrics were taken from Lecrae’s “I Know” and placed on Lamar’s “The Backseat” music. They could put Shai Linne and Tupac on the same song if they wanted to . Amazing what they can do with technology these days. Do the research, man.

        These are not small inconsistencies because they are the crux of your argument. I have absolutely no allegiance to Lecrae. I have been critical of some of the songs and decisions he has made but I base my opinions on facts.

        • dlundy1

          Everything stated in the post was factual indeed, yet you felt the need to scrutinize something small and irrelevant simply because you do not want to believe the information being presented.

          If you read the article entirely, you would know that I have always supported Lecrae and his music — therefore I am not simply trying to attack him for what he is doing. Instead I am hoping that he sees the error of his ways which is why I wrote this blog post. As an attempt to show him — as ANY GOOD brother would do.

          • rick

            I agree that some of his collaborations have been troublesome for me. Most notably the song with Paul Wall. The Round of Applause remix ft. B.O.B contains a few lines where one could argue that B.o.B is promoting materialism.

            Bun B’s contributions are inconsequential as his words are merely meant to bolster Lecrae’s credibility among a group of people that are likely to be unfamiliar with his backstory.

            I don’t see how you can say it doesn’t matter if it’s official or not. Deon, I can take any artist you name and put him on a song with Kendrick Lamar. Neither party endorsed the song or promoted it. In fact, there is no evidence to even suggest that either of them know of its existence.

            My main issue is not with your overall statement but with how you support it. I won’t say that EVERYTHING you stated is false, but you do have a significant amount of errors that would lead me to believe some readers will simply discount all of it.

          • dlundy1

            I am glad to see that we can finally agree on something regarding this topic.

            We have spent a great deal of time discussing the artists he has chosen to collab with — but this only makes up of less than 10% of the blog post. That leaves another 90% unaddressed.

            But lets BYPASS the collaborations and whatnot. Lets look directly at Lecrae’s own LYRICS.

            If God’s real, I believe he became a man
            Otherwise, ain’t no other way to understand
            What it’s like to be me
            What it’s like to be an outcast tempted by all the devil’s diseases
            So if it pleases Him to rescue a fool
            I’ll be drowning in a pool of liquor to keep cool

            Smoking a Kool, like the old heads do
            Call me Nat King Cole, like I’m gonna spread blue
            Pain a pest, I been trying to smoke it out
            But it never seems to die when I choke it out
            I try to drink it away but my stomach swell
            And what I’m drinking on earth, I’ll probably throw up in Hell, well

            QUESTION: Do you agree that his Lyrics are no longer compatible with his self proclaimed Christian Values?

          • jon

            On church clothes 1 n 2 he spoke one different points of views though.

            And no Kendrick Lamar on cc2 .

            I admits his music just sound more of like positive music these days. I miss his older stuff. But I’m also thinking maybe he is trying attract non believers to wanna know more about Christianity. But at the same time I still feel the need to guard my heart.

            First of all lecraes music should never be a substitute for reading our Bibles and praying. Trust God only. Jesus is the truth!!

          • jon

            Jesus is the way the truth and the life!!

        • dlundy1

          But to address your Kendrick Lamar Comment….

          QUOTE: “Kendrick Lamar and Lecrae have never been on the same song or album!”

          ** This Statement is False **

          Whether the song is “Official” or not is irrelevant — you stated that they had NEVER been on the same song which is inaccurate. Clearly they have been on the same song titled “Backseat Freestyle”..

          and EVEN IF we excluded this song, Lecrae and Kendrick has been featured together on the song “Swimming Pools” REMIX.

          So whichever way you spin it — you are still wrong regarding this situation.

          But look, don’t think I am trying to attack you or Lecrae — I am not. I am just a Christian trying to show another Christian the error of their ways. So don’t be offended.

        • dlundy1

          But to address your Kendrick Lamar Comment….

          QUOTE: “Kendrick Lamar and Lecrae have never been on the same song or album!”

          ** This Statement is False **

          Whether
          the song is “Official” or not is irrelevant — you stated that they had
          NEVER been on the same song which is inaccurate. Clearly they have been
          on the same song titled “Backseat Freestyle”..

          But even if we OMITTED Kendrick, that still leaves BUN B, PAUL WALL, B.o.B, and More secular artists!

          So whichever way you wana “Spin” it — My point REMAINS VALID.

  • rick

    ANOTHER ERROR : KENDRICK LAMAR was NEVER on Church Clothes 2. Kendrick Lamar and Lecrae have never been on the same song or album! He simply referenced his friendship with him in the lyrics!

    Also, David Banner was in a VIDEO to “Confe$$ions”. He has never been featured on a Lecrae song. How much research did you do? Did you spend more time compiling inflammatory images of people selling their soul to the devil?

    There are way too many errors in your article, sir. Seems to me you don’t listen carefully.

    • dlundy1

      Your information is incorrect.

      Although Kendrick Lamar was not on CCvol2- he featured Lecrae on his “Backseat” freestyle.

      But your attempt to find a small inconsistency to ARGUE about seems to display that you have an unspoken loyalty to Lecrae no matter which direction he has taken — If you are a Christian, this is sad — If you are not, then that explains so much.

      Were you also looking for TYPOS within the article? I wouldn’t be surprised.

      But lets examine the BOTTOM-LINE:
      – It doesn’t matter if I call his Mixtape an “Album”
      – It doesn’t matter if I call his partnership with someone a FEATURE

      What MATTERS is that Lecrae is indeed forming a partnership with the ungodly world. So whether you choose to accept the information or not is not my concern — my concern is only sharing the truth.

      And the truth is that Lecrae no longer wants to be called a “Christian Rapper” (his own words).

      But instead he has taken great lengths to separate his music from the “Christian” genre.

      THAT is what matters my friend. So stop trying to find fault within the article and receive the fundamental message that Lecrae’s own words PROVE.

      • rick

        Tyos? Let’s stay on track, ok?
        No, sir. I was not looking for typos. I was looking to determine whether or not your arguments were supported by truthful facts. I apologize if my tone is hostile but I really suggest you reflect on the tone of your message but most importantly, do a thorough investigation of some of your claims.
        I find that there are too many inconsistencies and distortions of the truth to find you credible.

        -mixtape vs album? What does this have to do with anything?

        -partnership called a feature? You’re right it doesn’t matter…but it does matter if this partnership exists at all.

        And you are again, WRONG in regards to Kendrick Lamar. The Backseat freestyle is not an official song. Some random DJ put them together Those lyrics were taken from Lecrae’s “I Know” and placed on Lamar’s “The Backseat” music. They could put Shai Linne and Tupac on the same song if they wanted to . Amazing what they can do with technology these days. Do the research, man.

        These are not small inconsistencies because they are the crux of your argument. I have absolutely no allegiance to Lecrae. I have been critical of some of the songs and decisions he has made but I base my opinions on facts.

        • dlundy1

          Everything stated in the post was factual indeed, yet you felt the need to scrutinize something small and irrelevant simply because you do not want to believe the information being presented.

          If you read the article entirely, you would know that I have always supported Lecrae and his music — therefore I am not simply trying to attack him for what he is doing. Instead I am hoping that he sees the error of his ways which is why I wrote this blog post. As an attempt to show him — as ANY GOOD brother would do.

          • rick

            I agree that some of his collaborations have been troublesome for me. Most notably the song with Paul Wall. The Round of Applause remix ft. B.O.B contains a few lines where one could argue that B.o.B is promoting materialism.

            Bun B’s contributions are inconsequential as his words are merely meant to bolster Lecrae’s credibility among a group of people that are likely to be unfamiliar with his backstory.

            I don’t see how you can say it doesn’t matter if it’s official or not. Deon, I can take any artist you name and put him on a song with Kendrick Lamar. Neither party endorsed the song or promoted it. In fact, there is no evidence to even suggest that either of them know of its existence.

            My main issue is not with your overall statement but with how you support it. I won’t say that EVERYTHING you stated is false, but you do have a significant amount of errors that would lead me to believe some readers will simply discount all of it.

          • dlundy1

            I am glad to see that we can finally agree on something regarding this topic.

            We have spent a great deal of time discussing the artists he has chosen to collab with — but this only makes up of less than 10% of the blog post. That leaves another 90% unaddressed.

            But lets BYPASS the collaborations and whatnot. Lets look directly at Lecrae’s own LYRICS.

            If God’s real, I believe he became a man
            Otherwise, ain’t no other way to understand
            What it’s like to be me
            What it’s like to be an outcast tempted by all the devil’s diseases
            So if it pleases Him to rescue a fool
            I’ll be drowning in a pool of liquor to keep cool

            Smoking a Kool, like the old heads do
            Call me Nat King Cole, like I’m gonna spread blue
            Pain a pest, I been trying to smoke it out
            But it never seems to die when I choke it out
            I try to drink it away but my stomach swell
            And what I’m drinking on earth, I’ll probably throw up in Hell, well

            QUESTION: Do you agree that his Lyrics are no longer compatible with his self proclaimed Christian Values?

          • jon

            On church clothes 1 n 2 he spoke one different points of views though.

            And no Kendrick Lamar on cc2 .

            I admits his music just sound more of like positive music these days. I miss his older stuff. But I’m also thinking maybe he is trying attract non believers to wanna know more about Christianity. But at the same time I still feel the need to guard my heart.

            First of all lecraes music should never be a substitute for reading our Bibles and praying. Trust God only. Jesus is the truth!!

          • jon

            Jesus is the way the truth and the life!!

          • FLMJ1G

            Lecrae and 116 have always been questionable. It’s only until now today more people are beginning to see. It’s not just 116 but other so called Christian media leaders, most.

            The videos, the symbolism, the hidden terminology, and other things give them away.

        • dlundy1

          But to address your Kendrick Lamar Comment….

          QUOTE: “Kendrick Lamar and Lecrae have never been on the same song or album!”

          ** This Statement is False **

          Whether
          the song is “Official” or not is irrelevant — you stated that they had
          NEVER been on the same song which is inaccurate. Clearly they have been
          on the same song titled “Backseat Freestyle”..

          But even if we OMITTED Kendrick, that still leaves BUN B, PAUL WALL, B.o.B, and More secular artists!

          So whichever way you wana “Spin” it — My point REMAINS VALID.

  • Ezra J. Washington

    This is so sad. Folks, remember who Lucifer was before he was removed from his post. He was created to worship God in every since of the word. Now his fallen nature takes on many forms in the slippery slope of the music industry. Lecrae apparently has allowed himself to fall simply by not watching and praying. There is no other explanation. Now… Pray for that man so that he can be returned just like the prodigal son. God can do anything, even return a lost son to the path. If your heart has disdain for my words then pray for a stronger faith!!! By the way, Lecrae needs to stop recording his foul missteps until he repents and returns. Like it or not he is in a position of leadership and his walk is calling the church into question. He needs to stop…PERIOD!!!!!!!

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Ezra!

      Sorry that my response is so late but somehow I missed your comment. I agree that Lecrae is indeed a leader in the Christian community, this is why he was a primary TARGET by the enemies of the Cross. If they can successfully lead the Leaders astray, then all those who follow will also be lead astray.

      Its your classic case of “The Blind Leading The Blind”

      • Amanda Johnson Bazille

        Amen Ezra. I was thinking the same thing. I know that a lot of artist list PREVIOUS struggles but….you’re a leader. Do you have to CONTINUE listing the things you’re doing so that you can cause your other brothers and sisters to fall? “Oh Lecrae does it…so it must be okay that I do too.” Really? :s In what I wrote I was thinking about the Lucifer thing also. (Yes I called it a thing. lol) As we know from the bible musicians go out on the front lines of the battle field. People need to be mindful of this, even Lecrae must’ve forgotten as he’s criticizing the choir members…lols. I quote when I say “The Bling leading the Blind”.

        • dlundy1

          Right! Musicians have a double responsibility since they are the “Levites” in the house of God

  • Ezra J. Washington

    This is so sad. Folks, remember who Lucifer was before he was removed from his post. He was created to worship God in every since of the word. Now his fallen nature takes on many forms in the slippery slope of the music industry. Lecrae apparently has allowed himself to fall simply by not watching and praying. There is no other explanation. Now… Pray for that man so that he can be returned just like the prodigal son. God can do anything, even return a lost son to the path. If your heart has disdain for my words then pray for a stronger faith!!! By the way, Lecrae needs to stop recording his foul missteps until he repents and returns. Like it or not he is in a position of leadership and his walk is calling the church into question. He needs to stop…PERIOD!!!!!!!

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Ezra!

      Sorry that my response is so late but somehow I missed your comment. I agree that Lecrae is indeed a leader in the Christian community, this is why he was a primary TARGET by the enemies of the Cross. If they can successfully lead the Leaders astray, then all those who follow will also be lead astray.

      Its your classic case of “The Blind Leading The Blind”

      • Amanda Johnson Bazille

        Amen Ezra. I was thinking the same thing. I know that a lot of artist list PREVIOUS struggles but….you’re a leader. Do you have to CONTINUE listing the things you’re doing so that you can cause your other brothers and sisters to fall? “Oh Lecrae does it…so it must be okay that I do too.” Really? :s In what I wrote I was thinking about the Lucifer thing also. (Yes I called it a thing. lol) As we know from the bible musicians go out on the front lines of the battle field. People need to be mindful of this, even Lecrae must’ve forgotten as he’s criticizing the choir members…lols. I quote when I say “The Bling leading the Blind”.

        • dlundy1

          Right! Musicians have a double responsibility since they are the “Levites” in the house of God

    • DJ Noble

      Really bruh? Don’t you see the manipulation in the article? The main quote the writer uses is something Lecrae said in 3rd person.

      • Ezra J. Washington

        I think the pointnof my post is being missed here Noble… All of us have gone through things in our walk that when we look back on them we realize that what we thouhht at the time was a Godly decision turns out to be us acting on our own desires and not our faith. Two examples: Peter cutting off the high priests guards ear… Lecrae putting Big K.r.I.t on a tune with him. It seemed like a good idea at the time i’m sure but the fallout just reveals our fallen morals. Forgiveness is certainly in order in both cases and I think my original post may have seemed tonpass judgement on Lecrae instead of leaving room for forgiveness… for that, I apologize.

        in Titus talks about young men being self controlled. Some of the irresponsible acts of Lecrae’s youth tend to shed a somewhat immature light on the truths in scripture. They certainly dont avoid the appearance of evil. He is a great man for the Kingdom and does need to grow (as we all do). Only Jesus can put the ear back on the high preist’s guard. In Lecrae’s case I eagerly wait to see how God does because Lecrae can affect/effect many people with his position.

      • dlundy1

        You should re-read the article, several points are provided — not just one.

        If you want to defend Lecrae’s lyrics, then address each point the article pointed out.

  • chris

    Lecrae is not going in a new direction. Regarding ” the christian rapers title” the title doesn’t really matter as long as the “Spirit’s In It.”

    Are you saying he shouldn’t try to bring the lost to Christ. That’s the job of a Christian. How will he do that if he only performs in front of Christians, only hangs out with Christians.

    It would be awesome to have lecraes message on mainstream radio. With all the music about sex drugs and violence. Lecraes music is about Jesus, love, having fun without drugs

  • chris

    Lecrae is not going in a new direction. Regarding ” the christian rapers title” the title doesn’t really matter as long as the “Spirit’s In It.”

    Are you saying he shouldn’t try to bring the lost to Christ. That’s the job of a Christian. How will he do that if he only performs in front of Christians, only hangs out with Christians.

    It would be awesome to have lecraes message on mainstream radio. With all the music about sex drugs and violence. Lecraes music is about Jesus, love, having fun without drugs

  • I think you doth not understand – lol- (keeping it light here) the song at all…;-) He is speaking from the perspective of how outsiders of the church ‘view’ church and church goers…not how he lives, nor how he represents Christ. We need to have training on how to decipher a rap song so the church does not get confused over what is actually being stated – Kind of like diversity training..lol Blessings to you! Godspeed!

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your reply Beverly,

      Yes in that song I acknowledge that he was speaking from an outsiders perspective — this phrase was used in the title as a way to intrigue viewers into clicking to read more 🙂

      BUT, although that particular line was from an outside perspective — I have noticed a fundamental change in Lecrae’s message (which is actually the reason I wrote the post)

      His music is no longer “Christ-centered”, instead he makes small references to his Christian faith within songs to keep the Christians satisfied but at the same time — Lecrae has done such a good job separating his music from the “Christian Genre” that I have listened to many of his latest songs and could not tell it apart from the secular music that you can hear in clubs. (although I no longer attend them)

      But as i stated in the post, I don’t question whether Lecrae is a believer or not — instead I present the possibility that he is a believer that is being seduced by the mainstream into thinking that “Compromise” is okay — which it is not.

      • Yes, it is a fine line sometimes to walk in that industry. Not a fine line in the sense it is unachievable, but a fine line in how perception s are shaped. Thank you for sharing! I pray for Lacrae that he stays clear of the influence. But also that he is such a awesome representation of Christ that all will marvel. I also pray he is unafraid and unashamedly around people of the world to win them. After all, you can’t win what you won’t go among- we must follow the example of Jesus – being in the world but not of.

        • dlundy1

          I would agree entirely. I too will continue praying for the brother.

  • I think you doth not understand – lol- (keeping it light here) the song at all…;-) He is speaking from the perspective of how outsiders of the church ‘view’ church and church goers…not how he lives, nor how he represents Christ. We need to have training on how to decipher a rap song so the church does not get confused over what is actually being stated – Kind of like diversity training..lol Blessings to you! Godspeed!

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your reply Beverly,

      Yes in that song I acknowledge that he was speaking from an outsiders perspective — this phrase was used in the title as a way to intrigue viewers into clicking to read more 🙂

      BUT, although that particular line was from an outside perspective — I have noticed a fundamental change in Lecrae’s message (which is actually the reason I wrote the post)

      His music is no longer “Christ-centered”, instead he makes small references to his Christian faith within songs to keep the Christians satisfied but at the same time — Lecrae has done such a good job separating his music from the “Christian Genre” that I have listened to many of his latest songs and could not tell it apart from the secular music that you can hear in clubs. (although I no longer attend them)

      But as i stated in the post, I don’t question whether Lecrae is a believer or not — instead I present the possibility that he is a believer that is being seduced by the mainstream into thinking that “Compromise” is okay — which it is not.

      • Yes, it is a fine line sometimes to walk in that industry. Not a fine line in the sense it is unachievable, but a fine line in how perception s are shaped. Thank you for sharing! I pray for Lacrae that he stays clear of the influence. But also that he is such a awesome representation of Christ that all will marvel. I also pray he is unafraid and unashamedly around people of the world to win them. After all, you can’t win what you won’t go among- we must follow the example of Jesus – being in the world but not of.

        • dlundy1

          I would agree entirely. I too will continue praying for the brother.

  • Candice Marie Sanders

    Deon-I had never listened to Lecrae’s music until this week. Nothing wrong with rap. In fact, before I was saved in the latter part of 2011, hip hop filled half the space of my iTunes library. From Rakim, Mobb Deep, TCQ, Biggie and Meth Tical to Common (back when his name included Sense) OutKast, Easy E, Dre, 8 Ball & MJG to current cats like Kweli and more. But after falling in love the Savior who first loved me, Jesus Christ, the redeemer of my wretched soul, everything changed. EVERYTHING. In a way I could never attempt to convey here (or anywhere) so that everyone might understand.
    The only reason I recently took note of Lecrae was due to a “controversial” tweet he made regarding hip hop during the initial unrest following the murder of Michael Brown. I noticed because the tweet made national news. (I didn’t have Twitter at the time.) I remember wondering what was so controversial in the tweet Lecrae felt compelled to delete. I read it. I saw nothing controversial. I tried to make sure I wasn’t reading through the eyes of any bias I may hold. 37 years old. My age alone could easily put me out of touch with current trends. Black woman raised in the South. Still saw nothing controversial. Except that he deleted it. And most importantly, why he deleted it. Apparently many prominent members of the hip hop establishment whom he sacredly regards were offended. Rather than risk their disapproval, he apologized, bowed to their wishes, and deleted the tweet.
    What does any of that have to do with the piece you’ve written? A lot actually. Before checking out his music or its content, the motive which prompted the action of deleting his tweet, rapped volumes to me. Loud lamentable volumes of compromise and outright deception. While surveying the lyrics cited in your story, I wasn’t stunned by the lack of outrage among professing Christians who listen to his music. I was grieved. Deeply. For a generation who put me in mind of the one led by Joshua and Caleb. Chosen to enter the Promised Land yet failing to completely conquer as God had commanded them. We’re failing just like the children of Israel. They compromised. God commanded them to kill EVERY inhabitant in the Promised Land.
    We’re failing by leading compromised lives. Worse I fear, compromised hearts. Divided, faulty hearts who refuse to choose ye this day whom to serve. I pray that all professing Christians would respond like Joshua. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. The foundation of your objections is based firmly upon Scripture. I wouldn’t look for many Amens to cross your path and agree with what you’ve written. Because what you’ve written agrees with God’s Word. But I encourage you to keep standing on His Word. Having done all to stand. Stand some more.
    It’s far from easy. But Jesus told us that well beforehand. Hated for His Name’s sake. Jesus never withheld what would befall us in the last days. Neither did Paul in his letter to Timothy. The third and fourth chapters of Second Timothy are particularly remarkable considering the present circumstances. Itching ears turning away from the truth. In Ezekiel, the Lord God referred to His children as impudent and hardhearted. A rebellious house, He called them. But He told Ezekiel not to be rebellious like them. He told Ezekiel to give them warning whether they listened to him or not. And before Ezekiel even got started, God told him straight out, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN. But Ezekiel had to tell them anyway. Why? Because God said so. Because God could care less about winning a popularity contest.
    Best Blessings

    • dlundy1

      Hey Candice!

      Thanks for your comment.

      Firstly, I would like to thank you for such an awesome and well thought-out comment!

      Secondly, I completely agree with you.
      There is absolutely nothing wrong with Rap as a poetic artform.

      Rap is simply a style of conveying a message,
      But whether that message is good or bad depends on the the writer.

      I loved Lecrae’s music when he first started in the Industry — Not because of the “Beats” but instead because the Lyrics were truly “God-Inspired”.

      Sadly, over time I have noticed that Lecrae’s music is being directed further and further away from his original standard. Lecrae’s music has “Left its first Love” so to speak.

      Although some of the BEATS Lecrae now have are slightly better than his old ones — It has been deprived of the Message of God and therefore the Power of God.

      But you are completely right about people not accepting this blog post.

      I have faced a SLEW of Criticism for my analysis of Lecrae’s music — but I do not blame them.

      Christian artists are truly FEW, and it is only logical for Christians to try to hang on to the few that we DO HAVE.

      But my hope is that they will not follow along BLINDLY after Lecrae’s music even if his music strays away from Christ. At the end of the day, we must let GOD be the final authority.

      I definitely pray that Lecrae finds his first love once again, but if not I will continue to SOUND THE TRUMPET to prevent other Believers from following him in his journey to Secularization.

      Thanks for the Encouragement sister! 🙂

      • Candice Marie Sanders

        Last thing. Galatians 2:11-21. Forgot to reference it as an encouraging Scripture, while you march forward sounding His trumpet.

        Please forgive lack of formatting. New to disqus, html, and the blogging arena at large.

        Why did Paul write, “I withstood him (Peter) to the face? Incidentally, this is Peter and Paul! Paul writes, “Because he was to be blamed,” Paul said. He also saw how Peter’s compromising or wrong behavior influenced the Jews to also follow Peter down the same dead end road.

        Apologize for late addition. But I prayed more about this sad ordeal. For the Lord’s guidance in His Word. This afternoon the words “withstood him to the face” kept rushing to mind. Instead of brushing it aside, I opened my Bible to Galatians. Had to apologize to the Lord for not being still to hear Him speak and receive His Word (the answer to my own prayers… ugh). How many times am I guilty of asking for His direction and running off without all of it because I won’t be still?

        Galatians 2:11-21

        11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

        12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

        13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

        14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

        15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

        16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

        17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

        18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

        19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

        20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

        21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

        • dlundy1

          Great post Canidce!

          Paul indeed did withstand peter for “Compromising” his behavior! Great Addition! 🙂

          • To God be the glory in Christ Jesus for His Word. His Word never returns void. My words fail. His never have and never will

          • dlundy1

            Amen sister!
            Where are you from?

  • Deon-I had never listened to Lecrae’s music until this week. Nothing wrong with rap. In fact, before I was saved in the latter part of 2011, hip hop filled half the space of my iTunes library. From Rakim, Mobb Deep, TCQ, Biggie and Meth Tical to Common (back when his name included Sense) OutKast, Easy E, Dre, 8 Ball & MJG to current cats like Kweli and more. But after falling in love with the Savior who first loved me, Jesus Christ, the redeemer of my wretched soul, everything changed. EVERYTHING. In a way I could never attempt to convey here (or anywhere) so that everyone might understand.

    The only reason I recently took note of Lecrae was due to a “controversial” tweet he made regarding hip hop during the initial unrest following the murder of Michael Brown. I noticed because the tweet made national news. (I didn’t have Twitter at the time.) I remember wondering what was so controversial in the tweet Lecrae felt compelled to delete. I read it. I saw nothing controversial. I tried to make sure I wasn’t reading through the eyes of any bias I may hold. 37 years old. My age alone could easily put me out of touch with current trends. Black woman raised in the South. Still saw nothing controversial. Except that he deleted it. And most importantly, why he deleted it. Apparently many prominent members of the hip hop establishment whom he sacredly regards were offended. Rather than risk their disapproval, he apologized, bowed to their wishes, and deleted the tweet.

    What does any of that have to do with the piece you’ve written? A lot actually. Before checking out his music or its content, the motive which prompted the action of deleting his tweet, rapped volumes to me. Loud lamentable volumes of compromise and outright deception. While surveying the lyrics cited in your story, I wasn’t stunned by the lack of outrage among professing Christians who listen to his music. I was grieved. Deeply. For a generation who put me in mind of the one led by Joshua and Caleb. Chosen to enter the Promised Land yet failing to completely conquer as God had commanded them. We’re failing just like the children of Israel. They compromised. God commanded them to kill EVERY inhabitant in the Promised Land. Not compromise with them.

    We’re failing by leading compromised lives. Worse I fear, compromised hearts. Divided, faulty hearts who refuse to choose ye this day whom to serve. I pray that all professing Christians would respond like Joshua. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. The foundation of your objections is based firmly upon Scripture. I wouldn’t look for many Amens to cross your path and agree with what you’ve written. Because what you’ve written agrees with God’s Word. But I encourage you to keep standing on His Word. Having done all to stand. Stand some more.

    It’s far from easy. But Jesus told us that well beforehand. Hated for His Name’s sake. Jesus never withheld what would befall us in the last days. Neither did Paul in his letter to Timothy. The third and fourth chapters of Second Timothy are particularly remarkable considering the present circumstances. Itching ears turning away from the truth. In Ezekiel, the Lord God referred to His children as impudent and hardhearted. A rebellious house, He called them. But He told Ezekiel not to be rebellious like them. He told Ezekiel to give them warning whether they listened to him or not. And before Ezekiel even got started, God told him straight out, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN. But Ezekiel had to tell them anyway. Why? Because God had issued Ezekiel His marching orders. Ezekiel understood WHO issued the orders. When we truly realize WHO’S giving the orders, we’ll be a bit quicker to obey Him. God could care less about winning a popularity contest. Are worshipping the creature above the Creator? God forbid. If we are, may He correct us in mercy and have mercy on our souls.

    The wicked prophet Balaam couldn’t curse the children of Israel in the book of Numbers. He had to resort to something more sinister. Enticement. With enticing temptation, Balaam didn’t need to curse the children of Israel. The children of Israel had cursed themselves through compromising disobedience. It’s astonishing that the prophet Samuel compares disobedience to the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness as iniquity and idolatry 1 Samuel 15:22-23). That’s DEEEEEEEP. In disobedience, my sin is no different than witchcraft and idolatry in the Lord’s eyes.

    Best Blessings

    • dlundy1

      Hey Candice!

      Thanks for your comment.

      Firstly, I would like to thank you for such an awesome and well thought-out comment!

      Secondly, I completely agree with you.
      There is absolutely nothing wrong with Rap as a poetic artform.

      Rap is simply a style of conveying a message,
      But whether that message is good or bad depends on the the writer.

      I loved Lecrae’s music when he first started in the Industry — Not because of the “Beats” but instead because the Lyrics were truly “God-Inspired”.

      Sadly, over time I have noticed that Lecrae’s music is being directed further and further away from his original standard. Lecrae’s music has “Left its first Love” so to speak.

      Although some of the BEATS Lecrae now have are slightly better than his old ones — It has been deprived of the Message of God and therefore the Power of God.

      But you are completely right about people not accepting this blog post.

      I have faced a SLEW of Criticism for my analysis of Lecrae’s music — but I do not blame them.

      Christian artists are truly FEW, and it is only logical for Christians to try to hang on to the few that we DO HAVE.

      But my hope is that they will not follow along BLINDLY after Lecrae’s music even if his music strays away from Christ. At the end of the day, we must let GOD be the final authority.

      I definitely pray that Lecrae finds his first love once again, but if not I will continue to SOUND THE TRUMPET to prevent other Believers from following him in his journey to Secularization.

      Thanks for the Encouragement sister! 🙂

      • Last thing. Galatians 2:11-21. Forgot to reference it as an encouraging Scripture, while you march forward sounding His trumpet.

        Please forgive lack of formatting. New to disqus, html, and the blogging arena at large.

        Why did Paul write, “I withstood him (Peter) to the face? Incidentally, this is Peter and Paul! Paul writes, “Because he was to be blamed,” Paul said. He also saw how Peter’s compromising or wrong behavior influenced the Jews to also follow Peter down the same dead end road.

        Apologize for late addition. But I prayed more about this sad ordeal. For the Lord’s guidance in His Word. This afternoon the words “withstood him to the face” kept rushing to mind. Instead of brushing it aside, I opened my Bible to Galatians. Had to apologize to the Lord for not being still to hear Him speak and receive His Word (the answer to my own prayers… ugh). How many times am I guilty of asking for His direction and running off without all of it because I won’t be still?

        Galatians 2:11-21

        11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

        12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

        13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

        14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

        15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

        16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

        17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

        18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

        19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

        20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

        21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

        • dlundy1

          Great post Canidce!

          Paul indeed did withstand peter for “Compromising” his behavior! Great Addition! 🙂

          • To God be the glory in Christ Jesus for His Word. His Word never returns void. My words fail. His never have and never will

          • dlundy1

            Amen sister!
            Where are you from?

  • Inquisitor

    Deon, I give props to you for being so adamant about your faith. I give Lecrae major props, because of what he is doing. What he is doing is bridging the gap between the secular and Christian cultures. People make fun of Christians today because they think we’re religious zealots who try to beat people over the head with the bible to get them to accept our faith. They think we have a holier than thou mentality, so they just ignore us or make fun of us or persecute us. And the reality of it is, Christianity in America today seems to have adopted the mindset that we must stay apart from the sinners in our music, and our actions, and by doing so, we make ourselves, for lack of a better word, better. The secular culture thinks that Christians have absolutely no fun, and must adhere to a strict set of rules. The view of “I am a Christian, and therefore must condemn all of secular media and have nothing to do with it” , while not being outright said, seems, by the actions of the Christian community as a whole, to be the predominant view. And in this world, where pleasure has become the idol, that turns more of the younger generations (teens, 20s, and 30s) away from the faith than anything else. We tell ourselves that we must make Christian friends and hangout only with them and never talk to those who are lost for fear of being corrupted by the world, and yet Jesus told us to reach out to the lost. Simply trying to use the bible and theology to reach out to them, and not bothering to connect with them, does them no good.

    Now on to the problems you have with the lyrics. First off, he is not attacking the church and fellow believers, he is calling them out, and keeping them accountable. All believers need accountability, according to the bible. “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” Secondly, when he talks about the so called disgusting ideologies, he is talking partially about his past, and also is giving an example of a sinner who realizes and admits that he is a fool who has chased the pleasure life and is desperate, and looks to God for his rescue. By talking about his struggles, and the struggles that are inherit to those seeking the pleasure life, he is basically saying, ” I have tried everything on the earth, and nothing can satisfy it, and I, with all my junk aka sin, am turning to you for healing and redemption.” Now, tell me how a song that talks about sin and then looking to God for redemption is not edifying?
    And lastly, though this doesn’t relate to the lyrics, I must ask how would you reach out to the secular culture and try to change it.

    • dlundy1

      QUOTE: “What he is doing is bridging the gap between the secular and Christian cultures”

      REPLY: Inquisitor,

      You said that Lecrae is bridging a Gap between secular and Christian cultures.

      But did you know that GOD PURPOSEFULLY placed a Gap between the two?

      (1 Peter 2:9) “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:”

      Therefore Lecrae is trying to Bridge a Gap between LIGHT and Darkness.

      He is essentially in-BETWEEN, or “Lukewarm”.

      But This is what Jesus said about Lukewarm.

      QUOTE: Christianity in America today seems to have adopted the mindset that we must stay apart from the sinners in our music, and our actions, and by doing so, we make ourselves, for lack of a better word, better.

      REPLY: The bible tells us to Go into the world and let our Light shine — When we go into the world and do so, we glorify GOD.

      But when we go in the world, and try to BLEND-in with the darkness we only deceive ourselves.

      QUOTE: “Simply trying to use the bible and theology to reach out to them, and not bothering to connect with them, does them no good.”

      REPLY: So are you saying that Christians should BECOME sinners in order to REACH sinners?

      That is not what Jesus did. Jesus let his light shine, and all those who GOD had chosen came and flocked to him like sheep to a sheppherd.

      Jesus did not compromise himself in order to appeal to the people, he stayed true to GOD and all those who came were chosen by God. It appears that Christians are trying to be LIKE the world in order to attract them, but this is not how God wants us to draw them. He wants us to let our light shine and HE will draw them.

      It is GOD that draws men — not Us.

      QUOTE: “And lastly, though this doesn’t relate to the lyrics, I must ask how would you reach out to the secular culture and try to change it. ”

      REPLY” As i stated before, It is not OUR Job to draw men, only GOD can do that. Jesus told us to do ONE thing — PREACH the gospel.

      Furthermore, the secular world cannot be culture cannot be reached. Only people WITHIN the culture can be reached, and that can only be through the preaching of the word and the turning away from sin.

      • Inquisitor

        First, he is not lukewarm. God told us to be in the world, but not of the world. He has hung out with Kendrick Lamar, and some other secular artists, however when he did so he did it with the intention of becoming good friends with them. It doesn’t mean that he immediately is corrupted, but rather is an example of a servant of Christ. He shows them that he is a normal human being, who is a Christian, which makes it easier for them to approach him about tough questions they have. When I said that he was bridging the gap, I meant that by saying he is a rapper who is Christian, as opposed to a Christian rapper, he is doing so to prevent people from automatically boxing him in as a Christian and immediately being prejudiced towards him for that reason, and automatically hardening their hearts towards his music and his message, because a lot of people have misconceptions of Christians and Christianity in General.

        Second, he isn’t trying to blend in, but rather is making himself more approachable as a Christian. Spouting off bible verses and theology without making a connection turns away people, because it sounds almost like Christians are condemning them.

        • dlundy1

          You said “however when he did so he did it with the intention of becoming good friends with them.”

          … How do you know what his intentions were? This is your opinion, Only God can see the heart of a man.

          It doesn’t matter what reason he chose to change his title, when everything is said and done he changed his title to separate his music career from Christianity — how can this be good?

          You said… “Spouting off bible verses and theology without making a connection turns away people, because it sounds almost like Christians are condemning them.”

          I agree with this, but if I want to share the Gospel with a drunkard — I am not going to get drunk with him to make myself “Approachable”.

      • Inquisitor

        Third, I didn’t finish that point. It was supposed to follow with: say that you were at a funeral for the sudden death of a child, and the grieving parent comes up to you and asks why did god let this happen. Which do you think would be more comforting and would draw them closer to Christ: bible verses and theology, or saying I am sorry for your loss and grieving with them, and then serving them by bringing food for them or mowing their lawn? Actions speak louder than words, so serving them as Christ would through chores, meals, etc. would be a much better course, I think. The point I am trying to make is that people today have had experiences, good and bad, and without understanding what those are for that person and connecting with them, the usage of the bible and theology more often than not turn them away from the faith. And also, what draws them to God? God uses us to reach the lost. It is Jesus living through us that draws them to Him.

        A corollary to the third point is that the Christian culture today has “shown” it’s light so much that it is an alien culture. People look at Christians like they are aliens, because we have taken th

        • dlundy1

          I completely understand what you are saying.

          (Romans 12:15) Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

          BUT — you must understand that FELLOW-SHIPPING with the world is not the way to draw men to Christ.

          You may say that Lecrae is not fellowshipping, but I recall in his song “I’m turnt” he mentioned that he was riding with his “homies” and although Lecrae was not smoking — his homie was “Burnt Up”.

          What about that sounds like Ministry??

          LECRAE QUOTE:
          “Look at me I’m all the way turnt up
          I ain’t smoking but my homie in here burnt up
          Yeah, I’m working on him, But he straight though
          Couple girls trying to twerk it on me, wait- no
          No, hold up”

          • dlundy1

            The Bible tells us clearly that God “Chose” believers.

            (Ephesians 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

          • Inquisitor

            Really? That sounds like a backstory. Did you look at the rest of the lyrics?

            4 lines after “no, hold up” this is what he says:

            “No matter, we still gon’ kick it
            And we ain’t getting trippy, no molly in my sippy
            Ain’t fighting nobody, ain’t nobody set tripping
            It’s Southeast Diego in the building
            Shout-out to Peter Pan, Skyline Imperial
            We out here trying to function, holler if you with it though
            Prolly think I’m rolling, I’m just high on the spirit bro
            The only thing we popping is the truth, you don’t hear me though”

      • Inquisitor

        Ugh my computer keeps messing up. Sorry about that.

        As I was saying, people look at Christians like we are aliens because we have taken the set apart mindset to the extreme. They forget that we are humans like them, which is why the popular movement is to jump on any Christian who slips up. We are not perfect, but the set apart mindset has given everyone else the expectation that since Christians are so set apart and holy that they are perfect. By showing that we are humans like them, and letting people get to know us before we go spouting off theology, we show that we aren’t so alien, and therefore people are much more responsive to the gospel then. Christianity today has to try to attract followers because we have taken the set apart to the extreme, which a lot of people view as fanatical and therefore run away. Also, God gave us free choice, which does not mean that he chose us. God views any given moment in time as the present, and while he does know the future, he still gave us free choice because he wanted us to choose to love him. Assuming that god has chosen us is, at least from my opinion, somewhat of a

      • Inquisitor

        Assuming that god has chosen us is somewhat of a, in my opinion, arrogant and elitist view. Which, since Jesus praised humility, does not seem like a very good view to have.

        Finally, I must question that statement about it not being our job to draw men. Did not Jesus tell Simon and Andrew to follow Him, for he would make them fishers of men? How does god draw men to him? Jesus told us to take his teachings to heart, I.e. Live out his teachings. Do you honestly think that just preaching (and my take on your view point is just telling people) will give people a reason to turn away from sin? We are called to LIVE OUT our faith, not just talk about it.

        Times have changed, and the evangelical methodologies that have been in use by Christians for the last two decades are not effective at all with the current generation. We have questions about things that are relevant to us. Rather than criticizing the FIRST CHRISTIAN ARTIST to get the #1 slot on billboard.com’s top 200 albums list,

        • dlundy1

          The Bible clearly tells us that God “Chose” us (believers) to be saved through faith in Christ.

          (Ephesians 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

        • dlundy1

          Yes Jesus told him that he would make them Fishers of men, but Jesus also told them that only GOD can call someone to him.

          (John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          Furthermore, The bible tells us that it is GOD who added believers to the Church, not the APOSTLES.

          (Acts 2:47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: “Do you honestly think that just preaching (and my take on your view point is just telling people) will give people a reason to turn away from sin?

          REPLY: If you are asking me if I believe the WORD of God is enough to save souls — OF COURSE.

          (Isaiah 55:11) “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: “We are called to LIVE OUT our faith, not just talk about it.”

          REPLY: of course, who is refuting that? certainly not I. It is our actions that show what we truly believe.

          I’m not sure how this supports your opinion, but I agree with this statement entirely.

          • dlundy1

            QUOTE: “Times have changed, and the evangelical methodologies that have been in use by Christians for the last two decades are not effective at all with the current generation.”

            REPLY: So is it ok for me to become an adulterer in order to save an adulterer?
            … that is folly.

          • Inquisitor

            No sir, using an isolated extreme, is folly. Logical folly at that. The idea that because he has breached into the secular music culture and that because his music doesn’t
            Blatantly reference god, he therefore will stop being a Christian and stop his ministry entirely, that is a logical fallacy called the slippery slope. It is unwise to immediately say that he is straying from the path, because there are artists that are Christian that don’t mention god, e.g. Thousand foot krutch, skillet, reliant k, audio adrenaline, etc. and they have also made progress in the secular music industry. Again, you immediately jump to extremes to attack my position ad hominem. Assuming that methodologies in use aren’t working, that they therefore must become like the sinner by committing the same sin in order to save them is jumping to conclusions. I apologize for not clarifying, but when I said connecting with, I did not mean becoming like the sinner, but being able to use previous sin (e.g. Lecrae using his past experiences from his pleasure life to connect with a person

          • Inquisitor

            Who say, for instance is an adulterer) to show that there is hope for them.

          • Inquisitor

            It agrees with the sentence before. I am saying that connecting, rather just blindly saying you need Jesus (which they do, but at is besides the point), with a person, just getting to know them in a neutral setting, and being an example for Christ, will work better with the current generation.

          • dlundy1

            So do you feel that it is OK to hang with Unbelievers even if they are not ready to give their life to Christ? Y/N

      • Inquisitor

        Shouldn’t we be supporting him, because the whole world is looking at him intensely to see what he does? His change in music was to broaden his audience and therefore his ministry. He is toning it down from “let’s mention god every other line” which is blatantly Christian to “I don’t mention it, but you know what it’s about it and that is god” because most of the young generation ignores blatantly Christian. And that is one of his major audiences.

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: ” His change in music was to broaden his audience and therefore his ministry”

          REPLY: His change in music REDUCED the “Ministering” of his music — therefore how can he minister if his music is no longer centered around ministering?

          The “Ministry” aspect has essentially been MUTED.

          So is he Ministering by NOT ministering?

          That is silly.

          • Inquisitor

            And at the end of the day, why do you judge him so? Christian rap, and the artists involved in it, cater to specific audience, and not mention rap in General is considered heinous by most adults over 50. I can point to his website, he is president of a ministry that is SEPARATE from his music, ReachLife Ministries. Not to mention at the end of most if not all of his concerts, he then has a short message for the audience. Honestly it seems like you are expecting that he has to be perfect, he can’t slip up, if he touches the dark side he is as good as gone. Is that really a fair expectation for a human, who is by nature sinful and therefore will make mistakes?

            My point to you, and those that criticize him, is that you’re putting him in a box, in what he can produce. A fool closes his mind, but a wise man keeps himself open to new/different ideas before he makes a judgement. His music, and his message, are not for your generation, they are for mine.

            Sir, I do not like making attacks. However, who are you to judge him? Do you know his life story, or heard his testimony?

            This is no longer worth my time.

          • dlundy1

            You have made a mistake in your assumption that I am “Judging” him. I am not.

            I am simply aligning his actions up with the word of God — and I notice that there is a “Disconnect” somewhere.

            Therefore as a Brother, I will pray that God shows him what is and what is not acceptable for his music.

            But as a Christian, I refuse to sit idly by and watch him lead other Christians into secularism.

            Lecrae is a “Leader” in the Christian community, but what must you do when you see the leaders going astray? You must correct them. Even as Paul corrected Peter for his partiality in the scripture that Candice referenced (Galations 2:11-21).

    • dlundy1

      As Christians, we CANNOT reach the world — WHY?

      Because the world HATES GOD.

      The world, Hated Jesus — therefore the world will hate US.

      (John 15:18) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

      (John 15:20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

      Therefore not only would trying to “Bridge the Gap” between God and the world be a colossal WASTE OF TIME — It won’t even work.

      One of two things will happen…

      Either the person will leave the world and Come to God, or they will remain in the world and HATE God.

      Nothing else can happen.

      Does this make sense?

      • Inquisitor

        I am aware of the fact that the world hates God, however I am not asking why, rather I am asking how. Christians are given the Great Commission, which is to reach out to the lost and give them the gospel. How should we go about doing so, then?

        • dlundy1

          Jesus told us EXACTLY how to do this in
          (Matthew 5:14-16)…

          (Matthew 5:14) Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

          (Matthew 5:15) Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

          (Matthew 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

          Here Jesus tell us to be a LIGHT in a dark world (be different). Jesus doesn’t tell us to try to “Relate” to people in order to save them — he tells us to preach the gospel and GOD will save all those who will come to him

  • Inquisitor

    Deon, I give props to you for being so adamant about your faith. I give Lecrae major props, because of what he is doing. What he is doing is bridging the gap between the secular and Christian cultures. People make fun of Christians today because they think we’re religious zealots who try to beat people over the head with the bible to get them to accept our faith. They think we have a holier than thou mentality, so they just ignore us or make fun of us or persecute us. And the reality of it is, Christianity in America today seems to have adopted the mindset that we must stay apart from the sinners in our music, and our actions, and by doing so, we make ourselves, for lack of a better word, better. The secular culture thinks that Christians have absolutely no fun, and must adhere to a strict set of rules. The view of “I am a Christian, and therefore must condemn all of secular media and have nothing to do with it” , while not being outright said, seems, by the actions of the Christian community as a whole, to be the predominant view. And in this world, where pleasure has become the idol, that turns more of the younger generations (teens, 20s, and 30s) away from the faith than anything else. We tell ourselves that we must make Christian friends and hangout only with them and never talk to those who are lost for fear of being corrupted by the world, and yet Jesus told us to reach out to the lost. Simply trying to use the bible and theology to reach out to them, and not bothering to connect with them, does them no good.

    Now on to the problems you have with the lyrics. First off, he is not attacking the church and fellow believers, he is calling them out, and keeping them accountable. All believers need accountability, according to the bible. “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” Secondly, when he talks about the so called disgusting ideologies, he is talking partially about his past, and also is giving an example of a sinner who realizes and admits that he is a fool who has chased the pleasure life and is desperate, and looks to God for his rescue. By talking about his struggles, and the struggles that are inherit to those seeking the pleasure life, he is basically saying, ” I have tried everything on the earth, and nothing can satisfy it, and I, with all my junk aka sin, am turning to you for healing and redemption.” Now, tell me how a song that talks about sin and then looking to God for redemption is not edifying?
    And lastly, though this doesn’t relate to the lyrics, I must ask how would you reach out to the secular culture and try to change it.

    • dlundy1

      QUOTE: “What he is doing is bridging the gap between the secular and Christian cultures”

      REPLY: Inquisitor,

      You said that Lecrae is bridging a Gap between secular and Christian cultures.

      But did you know that GOD PURPOSEFULLY placed a Gap between the two?

      (1 Peter 2:9) “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:”

      Therefore Lecrae is trying to Bridge a Gap between LIGHT and Darkness.

      He is essentially in-BETWEEN, or “Lukewarm”.

      But This is what Jesus said about Lukewarm.

      QUOTE: Christianity in America today seems to have adopted the mindset that we must stay apart from the sinners in our music, and our actions, and by doing so, we make ourselves, for lack of a better word, better.

      REPLY: The bible tells us to Go into the world and let our Light shine — When we go into the world and do so, we glorify GOD.

      But when we go in the world, and try to BLEND-in with the darkness we only deceive ourselves.

      QUOTE: “Simply trying to use the bible and theology to reach out to them, and not bothering to connect with them, does them no good.”

      REPLY: So are you saying that Christians should BECOME sinners in order to REACH sinners?

      That is not what Jesus did. Jesus let his light shine, and all those who GOD had chosen came and flocked to him like sheep to a sheppherd.

      Jesus did not compromise himself in order to appeal to the people, he stayed true to GOD and all those who came were chosen by God. It appears that Christians are trying to be LIKE the world in order to attract them, but this is not how God wants us to draw them. He wants us to let our light shine and HE will draw them.

      It is GOD that draws men — not Us.

      QUOTE: “And lastly, though this doesn’t relate to the lyrics, I must ask how would you reach out to the secular culture and try to change it. ”

      REPLY” As i stated before, It is not OUR Job to draw men, only GOD can do that. Jesus told us to do ONE thing — PREACH the gospel.

      Furthermore, the secular world cannot be culture cannot be reached. Only people WITHIN the culture can be reached, and that can only be through the preaching of the word and the turning away from sin.

      • Inquisitor

        First, he is not lukewarm. God told us to be in the world, but not of the world. He has hung out with Kendrick Lamar, and some other secular artists, however when he did so he did it with the intention of becoming good friends with them. It doesn’t mean that he immediately is corrupted, but rather is an example of a servant of Christ. He shows them that he is a normal human being, who is a Christian, which makes it easier for them to approach him about tough questions they have. When I said that he was bridging the gap, I meant that by saying he is a rapper who is Christian, as opposed to a Christian rapper, he is doing so to prevent people from automatically boxing him in as a Christian and immediately being prejudiced towards him for that reason, and automatically hardening their hearts towards his music and his message, because a lot of people have misconceptions of Christians and Christianity in General.

        Second, he isn’t trying to blend in, but rather is making himself more approachable as a Christian. Spouting off bible verses and theology without making a connection turns away people, because it sounds almost like Christians are condemning them.

        • dlundy1

          You said “however when he did so he did it with the intention of becoming good friends with them.”

          … How do you know what his intentions were? This is your opinion, Only God can see the heart of a man.

          It doesn’t matter what reason he chose to change his title, when everything is said and done he changed his title to separate his music career from Christianity — how can this be good?

          You said… “Spouting off bible verses and theology without making a connection turns away people, because it sounds almost like Christians are condemning them.”

          I agree with this, but if I want to share the Gospel with a drunkard — I am not going to get drunk with him to make myself “Approachable”.

      • Inquisitor

        Third, I didn’t finish that point. It was supposed to follow with: say that you were at a funeral for the sudden death of a child, and the grieving parent comes up to you and asks why did god let this happen. Which do you think would be more comforting and would draw them closer to Christ: bible verses and theology, or saying I am sorry for your loss and grieving with them, and then serving them by bringing food for them or mowing their lawn? Actions speak louder than words, so serving them as Christ would through chores, meals, etc. would be a much better course, I think. The point I am trying to make is that people today have had experiences, good and bad, and without understanding what those are for that person and connecting with them, the usage of the bible and theology more often than not turn them away from the faith. And also, what draws them to God? God uses us to reach the lost. It is Jesus living through us that draws them to Him.

        A corollary to the third point is that the Christian culture today has “shown” it’s light so much that it is an alien culture. People look at Christians like they are aliens, because we have taken th

        • dlundy1

          I completely understand what you are saying.

          (Romans 12:15) Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

          BUT — you must understand that FELLOW-SHIPPING with the world is not the way to draw men to Christ.

          You may say that Lecrae is not fellowshipping, but I recall in his song “I’m turnt” he mentioned that he was riding with his “homies” and although Lecrae was not smoking — his homie was “Burnt Up”.

          What about that sounds like Ministry??

          LECRAE QUOTE:
          “Look at me I’m all the way turnt up
          I ain’t smoking but my homie in here burnt up
          Yeah, I’m working on him, But he straight though
          Couple girls trying to twerk it on me, wait- no
          No, hold up”

          • dlundy1

            The Bible tells us clearly that God “Chose” believers.

            (Ephesians 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

          • Inquisitor

            Really? That sounds like a backstory. Did you look at the rest of the lyrics?

            4 lines after “no, hold up” this is what he says:

            “No matter, we still gon’ kick it
            And we ain’t getting trippy, no molly in my sippy
            Ain’t fighting nobody, ain’t nobody set tripping
            It’s Southeast Diego in the building
            Shout-out to Peter Pan, Skyline Imperial
            We out here trying to function, holler if you with it though
            Prolly think I’m rolling, I’m just high on the spirit bro
            The only thing we popping is the truth, you don’t hear me though”

      • Inquisitor

        Ugh my computer keeps messing up. Sorry about that.

        As I was saying, people look at Christians like we are aliens because we have taken the set apart mindset to the extreme. They forget that we are humans like them, which is why the popular movement is to jump on any Christian who slips up. We are not perfect, but the set apart mindset has given everyone else the expectation that since Christians are so set apart and holy that they are perfect. By showing that we are humans like them, and letting people get to know us before we go spouting off theology, we show that we aren’t so alien, and therefore people are much more responsive to the gospel then. Christianity today has to try to attract followers because we have taken the set apart to the extreme, which a lot of people view as fanatical and therefore run away. Also, God gave us free choice, which does not mean that he chose us. God views any given moment in time as the present, and while he does know the future, he still gave us free choice because he wanted us to choose to love him. Assuming that god has chosen us is, at least from my opinion, somewhat of a

      • Inquisitor

        Assuming that god has chosen us is somewhat of a, in my opinion, arrogant and elitist view. Which, since Jesus praised humility, does not seem like a very good view to have.

        Finally, I must question that statement about it not being our job to draw men. Did not Jesus tell Simon and Andrew to follow Him, for he would make them fishers of men? How does god draw men to him? Jesus told us to take his teachings to heart, I.e. Live out his teachings. Do you honestly think that just preaching (and my take on your view point is just telling people) will give people a reason to turn away from sin? We are called to LIVE OUT our faith, not just talk about it.

        Times have changed, and the evangelical methodologies that have been in use by Christians for the last two decades are not effective at all with the current generation. We have questions about things that are relevant to us. Rather than criticizing the FIRST CHRISTIAN ARTIST to get the #1 slot on billboard.com’s top 200 albums list,

        • dlundy1

          The Bible clearly tells us that God “Chose” us (believers) to be saved through faith in Christ.

          (Ephesians 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

        • dlundy1

          Yes Jesus told him that he would make them Fishers of men, but Jesus also told them that only GOD can call someone to him.

          (John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          Furthermore, The bible tells us that it is GOD who added believers to the Church, not the APOSTLES.

          (Acts 2:47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: “Do you honestly think that just preaching (and my take on your view point is just telling people) will give people a reason to turn away from sin?

          REPLY: If you are asking me if I believe the WORD of God is enough to save souls — OF COURSE.

          (Isaiah 55:11) “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: “We are called to LIVE OUT our faith, not just talk about it.”

          REPLY: of course, who is refuting that? certainly not I. It is our actions that show what we truly believe.

          I’m not sure how this supports your opinion, but I agree with this statement entirely.

          • dlundy1

            QUOTE: “Times have changed, and the evangelical methodologies that have been in use by Christians for the last two decades are not effective at all with the current generation.”

            REPLY: So is it ok for me to become an adulterer in order to save an adulterer?
            … that is folly.

          • Inquisitor

            No sir, using an isolated extreme, is folly. Logical folly at that. The idea that because he has breached into the secular music culture and that because his music doesn’t
            Blatantly reference god, he therefore will stop being a Christian and stop his ministry entirely, that is a logical fallacy called the slippery slope. It is unwise to immediately say that he is straying from the path, because there are artists that are Christian that don’t mention god, e.g. Thousand foot krutch, skillet, reliant k, audio adrenaline, etc. and they have also made progress in the secular music industry. Again, you immediately jump to extremes to attack my position ad hominem. Assuming that methodologies in use aren’t working, that they therefore must become like the sinner by committing the same sin in order to save them is jumping to conclusions. I apologize for not clarifying, but when I said connecting with, I did not mean becoming like the sinner, but being able to use previous sin (e.g. Lecrae using his past experiences from his pleasure life to connect with a person

          • Inquisitor

            Who say, for instance is an adulterer) to show that there is hope for them.

          • Inquisitor

            It agrees with the sentence before. I am saying that connecting, rather just blindly saying you need Jesus (which they do, but at is besides the point), with a person, just getting to know them in a neutral setting, and being an example for Christ, will work better with the current generation.

          • dlundy1

            So do you feel that it is OK to hang with Unbelievers even if they are not ready to give their life to Christ? Y/N

      • Inquisitor

        Shouldn’t we be supporting him, because the whole world is looking at him intensely to see what he does? His change in music was to broaden his audience and therefore his ministry. He is toning it down from “let’s mention god every other line” which is blatantly Christian to “I don’t mention it, but you know what it’s about it and that is god” because most of the young generation ignores blatantly Christian. And that is one of his major audiences.

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: ” His change in music was to broaden his audience and therefore his ministry”

          REPLY: His change in music REDUCED the “Ministering” of his music — therefore how can he minister if his music is no longer centered around ministering?

          The “Ministry” aspect has essentially been MUTED.

          So is he Ministering by NOT ministering?

          That is silly.

          • Inquisitor

            Really? So talking about drugs, sex, and alcohol, things that he was familiar with in his life before he became a Christian and repented, things that are rampantly popular with my generation, and then talking about how he’s changed isn’t ministering at all? I’m sorry, but when was the last time that you saw a teenager outside of any church-oriented setting that talked with all his buddies about the next latest worship album that’s going to come out? You are ten times more likely to hear hip-hop coming from most teenagers’ cars then anything else, and THAT IS A HUGE PORTION OF HIS AUDIENCE and ministry as well. So using the medium that his core audience enjoys most, and instead of blaring god every other line, which I promise you would make almost every teenager turn the knob to something else, he makes it something they are willing to listen to. And so he takes out the blatant reference, but he uses the songs to talk about redemption. Sir, his target audience is the youngins, the future leaders of our nation, and instead of preaching to the choir, because believe me, the only people who actually bought his old albums, the ones that had god references every other line, were Christian Teenagers, because every other type blew it off, he made step towards the lost.

          • dlundy1

            It seems that we have two different opinions on the subject.

            According to the Bible, It is NOT ok to “Compromise” or remove God from your message in order to be accepted by the world. (1 John 2:15-16)

            But it sounds like you are saying it is ok to compromise if it gets you more fans that you can “Minister” unto. I have never read this anywhere in the Bible where this was appropriate.

            And again, there is nothing wrong with Lecrae referencing his PAST life to minister, but it sounds like he is actually referencing his CURRENT life.

            Jesus did not hang around Sinners,
            Sinners hung around JESUS.

            There is a big difference.

            Jesus remained who he was, he didn’t say nice things about the Pharisees so he could convert them. He called them SNAKES and VIPERS!

            (Matthew 23:33) “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

            Now I ask you, WHAT about this do you think the Pharisees can “Relate” to?

            Christians should not MUZZLE our message in order to be accepted by the world.

          • Inquisitor

            And at the end of the day, why do you judge him so? Christian rap, and the artists involved in it, cater to specific audience, and not mention rap in General is considered heinous by most adults over 50. I can point to his website, he is president of a ministry that is SEPARATE from his music, ReachLife Ministries. Not to mention at the end of most if not all of his concerts, he then has a short message for the audience. Honestly it seems like you are expecting that he has to be perfect, he can’t slip up, if he touches the dark side he is as good as gone. Is that really a fair expectation for a human, who is by nature sinful and therefore will make mistakes?

            My point to you, and those that criticize him, is that you’re putting him in a box, in what he can produce. A fool closes his mind, but a wise man keeps himself open to new/different ideas before he makes a judgement. His music, and his message, are not for your generation, they are for mine.

            Sir, I do not like making attacks. However, who are you to judge him? Do you know his life story, or heard his testimony?

            This is no longer worth my time.

          • dlundy1

            You have made a mistake in your assumption that I am “Judging” him. I am not.

            I am simply aligning his actions up with the word of God — and I notice that there is a “Disconnect” somewhere.

            Therefore as a Brother, I will pray that God shows him what is and what is not acceptable for his music.

            But as a Christian, I refuse to sit idly by and watch him lead other Christians into secularism.

            Lecrae is a “Leader” in the Christian community, but what must you do when you see the leaders going astray? You must correct them. Even as Paul corrected Peter for his partiality in the scripture that Candice referenced (Galations 2:11-21).

    • dlundy1

      As Christians, we CANNOT reach the world — WHY?

      Because the world HATES GOD.

      The world, Hated Jesus — therefore the world will hate US.

      (John 15:18) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

      (John 15:20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

      Therefore not only would trying to “Bridge the Gap” between God and the world be a colossal WASTE OF TIME — It won’t even work.

      One of two things will happen…

      Either the person will leave the world and Come to God, or they will remain in the world and HATE God.

      Nothing else can happen.

      Does this make sense?

      • Inquisitor

        I am aware of the fact that the world hates God, however I am not asking why, rather I am asking how. Christians are given the Great Commission, which is to reach out to the lost and give them the gospel. How should we go about doing so, then?

        • dlundy1

          Jesus told us EXACTLY how to do this in
          (Matthew 5:14-16)…

          (Matthew 5:14) Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

          (Matthew 5:15) Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

          (Matthew 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

          Here Jesus tell us to be a LIGHT in a dark world (be different). Jesus doesn’t tell us to try to “Relate” to people in order to save them — he tells us to preach the gospel and GOD will save all those who will come to him

  • dlundy1

    It seems that we have two different opinions on the subject.

    According to the Bible, It is NOT ok to “Compromise” or remove God from your message in order to be accepted by the world. (1 John 2:15-16)

    But it sounds like you are saying it is ok to compromise if it gets you more fans that you can “Minister” unto. I have never read this anywhere in the Bible where this was appropriate.

    And again, there is nothing wrong with Lecrae referencing his PAST life to minister, but it sounds like he is actually referencing his CURRENT life.

    Jesus did not hang around Sinners,
    Sinners hung around JESUS.

    There is a big difference.

    Jesus remained who he was, he didn’t say nice things about the Pharisees so he could convert them. He called them SNAKES and VIPERS!

    (Matthew 23:33) “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

    Now I ask you, WHAT about this do you think the Pharisees can “Relate” to?

    Christians should not MUZZLE our message in order to be accepted by the world.

  • Amanda Johnson Bazille

    Reading this just makes me depressed for this man. He was at the TOP of his game and especially powerful with Christian youth. I was not a close follower of his but I did like him. The thing that bugs me is that I’m sure that you are not the only one that heard these things in his music. Where were his brothers and sisters to pick him up? That may be what he was missing.
    He’s quick to point fingers and say what people did to offend him and I believe that just as we speak from the abundance of our hearts, so does our work, i.e, his music. Just as you stated with the 1% poison, somewhere along the line HE was poisoned himself. We all know that it is lonely at the top, especially when you’re fighting a Christ battle. In no way am I supporting his fall from grace but I know this didn’t all happen in one day. This man pre-meditated all of this including his exit. Although his influence of music and ministry will be missed, how many people will read this and shake their heads and then forget him instead of pray for him?
    One thing is true about this though. You CANNOT keep your eyes on people, be it choir members or people. As humans we are fallible. Church folk may have ousted him but Jesus never did, and never will. This seems to be something he forgot. I hope that he gets back on his feet and actually live the Christian life he claims he lives despite his lyrics. People may not forgive him but Jesus always will.

  • Amanda Johnson Bazille

    Reading this just makes me depressed for this man. He was at the TOP of his game and especially powerful with Christian youth. I was not a close follower of his but I did like him. The thing that bugs me is that I’m sure that you are not the only one that heard these things in his music. Where were his brothers and sisters to pick him up? That may be what he was missing.
    He’s quick to point fingers and say what people did to offend him and I believe that just as we speak from the abundance of our hearts, so does our work, i.e, his music. Just as you stated with the 1% poison, somewhere along the line HE was poisoned himself. We all know that it is lonely at the top, especially when you’re fighting a Christ battle. In no way am I supporting his fall from grace but I know this didn’t all happen in one day. This man pre-meditated all of this including his exit. Although his influence of music and ministry will be missed, how many people will read this and shake their heads and then forget him instead of pray for him?
    One thing is true about this though. You CANNOT keep your eyes on people, be it choir members or people. As humans we are fallible. Church folk may have ousted him but Jesus never did, and never will. This seems to be something he forgot. I hope that he gets back on his feet and actually live the Christian life he claims he lives despite his lyrics. People may not forgive him but Jesus always will.

  • Brittney

    I have been following Lecrae from the begginning of his rap career and I have seen a shift in his music. I personally feel Lecrae is a “Gateway Artist”. By this I mean an artist that individuals find first when they are curious about God and making a change. Some people views of Church and Christians are of the quotes you mentioned – that he further gave explanation of why those thoughts are wrong to have in the same songs.. Just as Dave Hollister did in R&B form. I believe some of his music is becoming more “harsh” in some “seasoned believer’s” eyes because the world is becoming more harsh — and Lecrae’s purpose is to show those kids that “yes someone understands where you are coming from, but this is why that belief isn’t right”. I don’t believe that he’s ventured off Gods plan for him, although I do not agree with the features of secular artists. (Call that a hiccup lol and I pray he repented for that because association begets assimilation all day long) and idw the spirits of secular artists in my rotation honestly..
    But I believe he understand his tounge must be seasoned so that he can talk to all persons. Just as he politely disassociated himself from the JayZ rumor with Godly reasons of why that will never happen. All we can do is keep him in our prayers that he doesn’t venture off the road that God has for him. Because when 2 or more are in a agreement… Y’all know God moves mountains 🙂 let’s pray he keeps reaching souls with his label – the God wants him to!
    Lastly i don’t have an issue with him saying he’s not a Christian rapper, but a Christian who raps.. After that he let the people know it’s not just about making Christian lyrics, but living the Christian lifestyle. So in my interpretation he’s saying, ” don’t just listen to my Christian music, make Christianity your lifestyle.

  • Brittney

    I have been following Lecrae from the begginning of his rap career and I have seen a shift in his music. I personally feel Lecrae is a “Gateway Artist”. By this I mean an artist that individuals find first when they are curious about God and making a change. Some people views of Church and Christians are of the quotes you mentioned – that he further gave explanation of why those thoughts are wrong to have in the same songs.. Just as Dave Hollister did in R&B form. I believe some of his music is becoming more “harsh” in some “seasoned believer’s” eyes because the world is becoming more harsh — and Lecrae’s purpose is to show those kids that “yes someone understands where you are coming from, but this is why that belief isn’t right”. I don’t believe that he’s ventured off Gods plan for him, although I do not agree with the features of secular artists. (Call that a hiccup lol and I pray he repented for that because association begets assimilation all day long) and idw the spirits of secular artists in my rotation honestly..
    But I believe he understand his tounge must be seasoned so that he can talk to all persons. Just as he politely disassociated himself from the JayZ rumor with Godly reasons of why that will never happen. All we can do is keep him in our prayers that he doesn’t venture off the road that God has for him. Because when 2 or more are in a agreement… Y’all know God moves mountains 🙂 let’s pray he keeps reaching souls with his label – the God wants him to!
    Lastly i don’t have an issue with him saying he’s not a Christian rapper, but a Christian who raps.. After that he let the people know it’s not just about making Christian lyrics, but living the Christian lifestyle. So in my interpretation he’s saying, ” don’t just listen to my Christian music, make Christianity your lifestyle.

  • shadow-assassin

    May i just say that the masons have nothing to do with the illuminati. Id know. My gransfather was high up and he was saved. Nor did he practice or talk about anything satanic. He showed the love of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Although the topic of this post is not related to masonry, I would respond to your statement by disagreeing.

      Although I agree that there are many Masons who are actually good people and who consider themselves Christian — the organization as a WHOLE does not biblical teachings.

      Although I won’t go into detail in this comment, I would suggest you read a book entitled “Beyond the Light” by William Schnoebelen. he does an excellent Job explaining the detail that is beyond the scope of this particular blog post.

      But there are 2-faces to the organization, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you grandfather had no idea about some of the things taking place behind closed-doors.

      Although a person is in the fraternity, It is not surprising to hear that they have never about the darker practices and initiations that occur depending on which “Ladder” the person is on.

  • shadow-assassin

    May i just say that the masons have nothing to do with the illuminati. Id know. My gransfather was high up and he was saved. Nor did he practice or talk about anything satanic. He showed the love of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Although the topic of this post is not related to masonry, I would respond to your statement by disagreeing.

      Although I agree that there are many Masons who are actually good people and who consider themselves Christian — the organization as a WHOLE does not subscribe to biblical teachings.

      Although I won’t go into detail in this comment, I would suggest you read a book entitled “Beyond the Light” by William Schnoebelen. he does an excellent Job explaining the detail that is beyond the scope of this particular blog post.

      But there are 2-faces to the organization, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you grandfather had no idea about some of the things taking place behind closed-doors.

      Although a person is in the fraternity, It is not uncommon for members to be completely oblivious to some of the darker practices and deeper initiations that occur — depending on which “Ladder” the person is on.

  • Chaldeanpride92

    Hey Deon, I’ve been reading your posts and agree with everything you’re doing here. I like how you support your posts with scripture. I can relate to a lot of the responses you are getting here. I also try to stress the point that we need to be Vigilant, but no one listens . I’ve got something to show you on Lecrae. I’ve been looking at his new songs and there is a lot of backmasking in them. Here is one for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YA0rF2iZeM&list=UU0ZObL2n5c9zLN6NjlJKWOw

    Please let me know what you think, as almost all the responses I have been getting on my Youtube videos are negative. I was actually just playing around with music when I noticed them. I don’t know if I should keep the videos up or take them down. Will they cause harm to Christians?

    – Alan

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your feedback Allen!

      I just took a moment to view the video you shared with me. Subliminal messages are the hardest position to defend in regards to music unless it is plainly hear-able.

      I didn’t really hear any subliminal messages in the video you shared, and when I read the captions some of the statements didn’t make much sense to be a subliminal message.

      With that being said, I don’t want you to be discouraged in your video-creating work, but I would suggest that you make a conscious effort to provide undeniable evidence whenever you want to convince your readers/viewers.

      the video you shared would not constitute as “Undeniable” evidence because the message is not clearly comprehensible.

      Sometimes we can look so hard for something that we essentially begin to see things that we WANT to see or things that aren’t actually there.

      Unfortunately, once we do this — we begin to lose credibility.

      This is why it is important to have more than 1 source when presenting a case. This reduces the likelihood of us projecting our opinion to the reader.

      Although I am not saying that there ISN’T any subliminal messages in the song, there isn’t enough evidence to prove that there is.

      Therefore instead of tossing our opinion to the wind and hoping people believe it anyway, the best move is to start gathering evidence to support what we believe.

      It is a FACT that no matter how well you do something — there will always be someone out there who hates it.

      Your video probably got bad reviews because no real evidence was presented to support your opinion. It would actually take more “Faith” to believe that those were subliminal messages than it would to believe that they were NOT.

      Therefore when you make videos, make them to convince THOSE people because they are the hardest ones to win. If you can get them, then you will automatically get everyone in between.

      But definitely keep your eyes open, that undeniable evidence that you need may present itself somewhere in the future!

      Just keep looking 🙂

      • Chaldeanpride92

        Thanks for your time, and I completely understand your point. I guess i’m the only one hearing this. I’m not discouraged at all now, just a little scared and very confused. I feel that it’s there wanting to be revealed but on the other hand, no-one can hear it but me, It’s so frustrating.

        – Alan

        • dlundy1

          don’t be frustrated or fearful Alan,

          All things will be revealed in the time that GOD has appointed it to be revealed.

          (Luke 8:17) For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

          • Chaldeanpride92

            Hey Deon, thanks for not being too hard on me for this.

            I just did a new song today called “Good, Bad, Ugly” by Lecrae and found more “hidden messages”. Please let me know if you can hear anything, I have the words in description.
            He references to “Wolf” at the end.

            Here’s some of what I found : “Scared from that, but now I discuss wolf, I’m one of those regulars, to them over there I guess I was some wolf,

            and the lord says so I know,

            Wolf, when they have remember”

            Please reply.

            Thanks,
            Alan

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhmmoCo_QbM

          • dlundy1

            Hey Alan just watched,

            all throughout it kinda sounded like random sounds with no coherent message. But towards the end I think I may have heard something that could be interpreted as “Wolf”.

            But with that being said, I couldn’t be mad at someone who disagrees with what you and I think we hear.

            As I stated earlier, Subliminal messages are virtually NEVER consider solid evidence unless it is plainly audible. someone might argue that throughout the entire song there was no audible message, therefore the “Wolf” you heard at the end was just a random sound that sounded like the word “Wolf” or “Roof” or “Wool”.

            But don’t stress yourself out too much trying to find Subliminals in every song.

            They aren’t as common today as they were in the 1960s, plus technology has gotten so good that even if they did put it in the music (which they probably do) — you wouldn’t be able to filter it out unless you knew exactly what they did to “Mask” it. Reversing is probably not enough to unveil it anymore.

  • Chaldeanpride92

    Hey Deon, I’ve been reading your posts and agree with everything you’re doing here. I like how you support your posts with scripture. I get a lot of similar comments you are getting here, I also suspect they are from huge Lecrae fans. I try to stress the point that we need to be Vigilant, but no one listens. I’ve got something to show you on Lecrae. I’ve been looking at his new songs and there is a lot of back-masking in them. From what they tell me, Lecrae fans hear Nuthin’ (Another song of Lecrae’s), I wonder what non-Lecrae followers hear though. I don’t even remember what made me look into this stuff. Here is one for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YA0rF2iZeM&list=UU0ZObL2n5c9zLN6NjlJKWOw

    Please let me know what you think, as almost all the responses I have been getting on my YouTube videos are negative. I don’t know if I should keep the videos up or take them down. Will they cause harm to Christians?

    – Alan

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your feedback Allen!

      I just took a moment to view the video you shared with me. Subliminal messages are the hardest position to defend in regards to music unless it is plainly hear-able.

      I didn’t really hear any subliminal messages in the video you shared, and when I read the captions some of the statements didn’t make much sense to be a subliminal message.

      With that being said, I don’t want you to be discouraged in your video-creating work, but I would suggest that you make a conscious effort to provide undeniable evidence whenever you want to convince your readers/viewers.

      the video you shared would not constitute as “Undeniable” evidence because the message is not clearly comprehensible.

      Sometimes we can look so hard for something that we essentially begin to see things that we WANT to see or things that aren’t actually there.

      Unfortunately, once we do this — we begin to lose credibility.

      This is why it is important to have more than 1 source when presenting a case. This reduces the likelihood of us projecting our opinion to the reader.

      Although I am not saying that there ISN’T any subliminal messages in the song, there isn’t enough evidence to prove that there is.

      Therefore instead of tossing our opinion to the wind and hoping people believe it anyway, the best move is to start gathering evidence to support what we believe.

      It is a FACT that no matter how well you do something — there will always be someone out there who hates it.

      Your video probably got bad reviews because no real evidence was presented to support your opinion. It would actually take more “Faith” to believe that those were subliminal messages than it would to believe that they were NOT.

      Therefore when you make videos, make them to convince THOSE people because they are the hardest ones to win. If you can get them, then you will automatically get everyone in between.

      But definitely keep your eyes open, that undeniable evidence that you need may present itself somewhere in the future!

      Just keep looking 🙂

      • Chaldeanpride92

        Thanks for your time, and I completely understand your point. I guess i’m the only one hearing this. I’m not discouraged at all now, just a little scared and very confused. I feel that it’s there wanting to be revealed but on the other hand, no-one can hear it but me, It’s so frustrating.

        – Alan

        • dlundy1

          don’t be frustrated or fearful Alan,

          All things will be revealed in the time that GOD has appointed it to be revealed.

          (Luke 8:17) For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

          • Chaldeanpride92

            Hey Deon, thanks for not being too hard on me for this.

            I just did a new song today called “Good, Bad, Ugly” by Lecrae and found more “hidden messages”. Please let me know if you can hear anything, I have the words in description.
            He references to “Wolf” at the end.

            Here’s some of what I found : “Scared from that, but now I discuss wolf, I’m one of those regulars, to them over there I guess I was some wolf,

            and the lord says so I know,

            Wolf, when they have remember”

            Please reply.

            Thanks,
            Alan

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhmmoCo_QbM

          • dlundy1

            Hey Alan just watched,

            all throughout it kinda sounded like random sounds with no coherent message. But towards the end I think I may have heard something that could be interpreted as “Wolf”.

            But with that being said, I couldn’t be mad at someone who disagrees with what you and I think we hear.

            As I stated earlier, Subliminal messages are virtually NEVER consider solid evidence unless it is plainly audible. someone might argue that throughout the entire song there was no audible message, therefore the “Wolf” you heard at the end was just a random sound that sounded like the word “Wolf” or “Roof” or “Wool”.

            But don’t stress yourself out too much trying to find Subliminals in every song.

            They aren’t as common today as they were in the 1960s, plus technology has gotten so good that even if they did put it in the music (which they probably do) — you wouldn’t be able to filter it out unless you knew exactly what they did to “Mask” it. Reversing is probably not enough to unveil it anymore.

  • Guest

    This is coming from a follower of Jesus Christ who admittedly struggles,
    I do not drink, smoke or go to clubs, but I do struggle with sin as do
    you, the author of this article and all those who commented. My
    position is this, isn’t it possible that Lecrae is/has simply been
    venting and or lashing out? I listened to his last album “Anomaly”, the
    only album I’ve ever heard by Lecrae (I’ve never really followed his
    music) and what I heard sounded like someone who is completely
    frustrated with “church folks.” My definition of this is people who are
    merely going to church and not being truly transparent OR living for
    Christ to the fullest of their own capabilities, YET have commentary on
    everyone else who they perceive to be beneath them or not as “mature”
    spiritually (a contradiction in themselves and totally blinded to their
    on Pharasee-ish ways).

    Isn’t it possible that he has suffered his
    fair share of “church hurt” and is really in the middle of a make or
    break battle for his own soul? I will admit I have to look for myself
    and think twice about pursuing his music any further after having read
    the lyrics about selling his soul vs saving it because that is truly
    disturbing, but let me again stress that this guy is human just like all
    of us and he is struggling publicly and admittedly with finding his
    place in this world, which is something I can totally relate to.

    I
    believe there is an army of BELIEVING church goers who are frustrated,
    hurt, confused, and who feel as if they don’t fit in the world OR in the
    church, which is confusing to those individuals and is pretty much a
    daRn shame on “church folks”. I’m sure it has a lot to do with the
    individual themselves, BUT let’s not act like “church folks” are without
    fault and are innocent of what has contributed to what drove him to
    begin his spiral downward spiritually if he stays on a destructive path
    and that is IF it is in fact venting and or lashing out vs it being he
    is just an imposter or what have you.

    There is an army of his
    kind who are cast aside whether inadvertently or purposefully because of
    how “deep” they feel and how passionate AND VOCAL they are when it
    comes to actually LIVING the word and attempting to HELP make POSITIVE
    change within the church world. “Church Folks” these days do not seem to
    be able to handle criticism unless they are the ones giving it. They
    only want to hear from certain people and I can respect that to a point
    because you can’t listen to everybody on every topic, BUT if God can use
    ANIMALS, prostitutes, liars, thieves, murderers to any extent, WHY
    can’t “church folks” be humble enough to HEAR TRUTH when it is set
    before them from even those they may not personally like or understand?

    I
    personally feel like we all have ourselves to blame at the end of the
    day for our choices, but we cannot disregard or throw away our
    brother(s) and sisters!!! Especially, when we KNOW WE AS PART OF THE
    CHURCH HAVE WRONGED THEM AT ANY POINT OR TO ANY EXTENT (not that we know
    him or have wrong him personally).

    As a body, let’s just be
    honest we have failed people like him over and over and then get on
    these sites and post blogs etc that only highlight OUR OWN shortcomings.
    I can respect this blog as a warning to pay closer attention to these
    artists, BUT that’s all. Its not our job as brothers and sisters to
    highlight each others faults and struggles. You can throw out a billion
    more scriptures out there about how this guy is
    STRUGGLING/FRUSTRATED/TEMPTED/FALLING or FAILING, but at the end of the
    day the POINT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND RESTORE EACH OTHER.
    “Church folks” are not exempt from edification just because they don’t
    like where the message is coming from or how it came.

    I do NOT
    condone ANY of his CONFESSIONS of sin (meaning I do not condone the sin,
    but I acknowledge what he’s said as confession, openness, and close to
    brokenness because HOW ELSE CAN TRUE REPENTANCE COME???) but think about
    it, would he put it out there and contradict himself the way he has for
    the heck of it (when he has clearly shifted according to this article)
    or is it a call for help/prayer/intercession. Nobody is listening to the
    REAL problem because all we see is outer and all we hear is basically
    what we want to hear so we can go post about it later. I don’t know his
    heart or intentions, but guess what? DUDE HAS A POINT on a several
    things in his album ANOMALY, so I’m not concerned about what he’s said
    in the past. I’m supposed to try and look at him today and go from
    there.

    He is NOT the only Christian to go wild; lets be honest
    there are several “Christian/Gospel” artists who are sincerely faking it
    we would call it, though God would most likely call it struggling.
    “Church Folks” today and in the past a like are EXTREMELY FULL OF PRIDE
    (SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS) to the point of chasing potential warriors for
    CHRIST away because THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
    INDIVIDUALS VALUE, but nobody sees that or wants to hear that’s part of
    the problem.

    Lecrae is ONE man what about the countless others
    who are out there and actually can understand his frustration? Isn’t it
    time for us to let God get us together and so we can go get him and the
    others and bring them back? In my humble, but deeply honest opinion
    “Church folks” owe a MAJOR apology TO BE MANIFESTED IN ACTIONS to people
    like him IF I’m anywhere close to being right about his
    intentions/struggles AND ALL OF THE OTHERS we’ll never hear from.

    Excuse
    the all caps, I get passionate about these topics because there’s too
    much criticism and what seems to be intent to expose everything we ALL
    already know is wrong,but not enough mirrors circulating in what is
    supposed to be the body of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Guest,

      Yes not only is it possible that Lecrae is lashing out, but I think that could very well be the case.

      I checked out Lecrae’s latest album as well and it is not nearly as bad as his last mixtape “Church Clothes”.

      But I would agree with you entirely, Christians are not perfect — We will never be.
      but the difference between a Christian and a non-believer is that we are STRIVING to become like Christ. We are not just going to settle for where we are right now.

      But the bible clearly tells us that everyone has sinned, and if anyone denies this then they make GOD out to be a liar.

      (1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      (1 John 1:9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      (1 John 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

      But as I stated several times in this article — the purpose of this article is not to cast LECRAE into the wilderness as a “Non-Christian”, but rather to call him back to his ROOTS which is Christ.

      Of course we are ALL sinners, but in his last mixtape it seemed as if Lecrae glorified his SIN more than the saving power of Christ.

      Instead of preaching AGAINST the sin, it seemed as if he was preaching TOLERANCE of the sin.

      But Although everyone sins, because Lecrae is considered a leader to some in the Christian community — therefore he is held to a higher standard and expected to be an honorable Ambassador for Christ.

      Lecrae faces more persecution from the CHURCH than he does from the world.

      … Something about that should let him know that he is going “off the track” somewhere.
      If The world hated JESUS, they should also HATE Lecrae, they shouldn’t LOVE him.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

  • Guest

    This is coming from a follower of Jesus Christ who admittedly struggles,
    I do not drink, smoke or go to clubs, but I do struggle with sin as do
    you, the author of this article and all those who commented. My
    position is this, isn’t it possible that Lecrae is/has simply been
    venting and or lashing out? I listened to his last album “Anomaly”, the
    only album I’ve ever heard by Lecrae (I’ve never really followed his
    music) and what I heard sounded like someone who is completely
    frustrated with “church folks.” My definition of this is people who are
    merely going to church and not being truly transparent OR living for
    Christ to the fullest of their own capabilities, YET have commentary on
    everyone else who they perceive to be beneath them or not as “mature”
    spiritually (a contradiction in themselves and totally blinded to their
    on Pharasee-ish ways).

    Isn’t it possible that he has suffered his
    fair share of “church hurt” and is really in the middle of a make or
    break battle for his own soul? I will admit I have to look for myself
    and think twice about pursuing his music any further after having read
    the lyrics about selling his soul vs saving it because that is truly
    disturbing, but let me again stress that this guy is human just like all
    of us and he is struggling publicly and admittedly with finding his
    place in this world, which is something I can totally relate to.

    I
    believe there is an army of BELIEVING church goers who are frustrated,
    hurt, confused, and who feel as if they don’t fit in the world OR in the
    church, which is confusing to those individuals and is pretty much a
    daRn shame on “church folks”. I’m sure it has a lot to do with the
    individual themselves, BUT let’s not act like “church folks” are without
    fault and are innocent of what has contributed to what drove him to
    begin his spiral downward spiritually if he stays on a destructive path
    and that is IF it is in fact venting and or lashing out vs it being he
    is just an imposter or what have you.

    There is an army of his
    kind who are cast aside whether inadvertently or purposefully because of
    how “deep” they feel and how passionate AND VOCAL they are when it
    comes to actually LIVING the word and attempting to HELP make POSITIVE
    change within the church world. “Church Folks” these days do not seem to
    be able to handle criticism unless they are the ones giving it. They
    only want to hear from certain people and I can respect that to a point
    because you can’t listen to everybody on every topic, BUT if God can use
    ANIMALS, prostitutes, liars, thieves, murderers to any extent, WHY
    can’t “church folks” be humble enough to HEAR TRUTH when it is set
    before them from even those they may not personally like or understand?

    I
    personally feel like we all have ourselves to blame at the end of the
    day for our choices, but we cannot disregard or throw away our
    brother(s) and sisters!!! Especially, when we KNOW WE AS PART OF THE
    CHURCH HAVE WRONGED THEM AT ANY POINT OR TO ANY EXTENT (not that we know
    him or have wrong him personally).

    As a body, let’s just be
    honest we have failed people like him over and over and then get on
    these sites and post blogs etc that only highlight OUR OWN shortcomings.
    I can respect this blog as a warning to pay closer attention to these
    artists, BUT that’s all. Its not our job as brothers and sisters to
    highlight each others faults and struggles. You can throw out a billion
    more scriptures out there about how this guy is
    STRUGGLING/FRUSTRATED/TEMPTED/FALLING or FAILING, but at the end of the
    day the POINT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND RESTORE EACH OTHER.
    “Church folks” are not exempt from edification just because they don’t
    like where the message is coming from or how it came.

    I do NOT
    condone ANY of his CONFESSIONS of sin (meaning I do not condone the sin,
    but I acknowledge what he’s said as confession, openness, and close to
    brokenness because HOW ELSE CAN TRUE REPENTANCE COME???) but think about
    it, would he put it out there and contradict himself the way he has for
    the heck of it (when he has clearly shifted according to this article)
    or is it a call for help/prayer/intercession. Nobody is listening to the
    REAL problem because all we see is outer and all we hear is basically
    what we want to hear so we can go post about it later. I don’t know his
    heart or intentions, but guess what? DUDE HAS A POINT on a several
    things in his album ANOMALY, so I’m not concerned about what he’s said
    in the past. I’m supposed to try and look at him today and go from
    there.

    He is NOT the only Christian to go wild; lets be honest
    there are several “Christian/Gospel” artists who are sincerely faking it
    we would call it, though God would most likely call it struggling.
    “Church Folks” today and in the past a like are EXTREMELY FULL OF PRIDE
    (SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS) to the point of chasing potential warriors for
    CHRIST away because THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
    INDIVIDUALS VALUE, but nobody sees that or wants to hear that’s part of
    the problem.

    Lecrae is ONE man what about the countless others
    who are out there and actually can understand his frustration? Isn’t it
    time for us to let God get us together and so we can go get him and the
    others and bring them back? In my humble, but deeply honest opinion
    “Church folks” owe a MAJOR apology TO BE MANIFESTED IN ACTIONS to people
    like him IF I’m anywhere close to being right about his
    intentions/struggles AND ALL OF THE OTHERS we’ll never hear from.

    Excuse
    the all caps, I get passionate about these topics because there’s too
    much criticism and what seems to be intent to expose everything we ALL
    already know is wrong,but not enough mirrors circulating in what is
    supposed to be the body of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Guest,

      Yes not only is it possible that Lecrae is lashing out, but I think that could very well be the case.

      I checked out Lecrae’s latest album as well and it is not nearly as bad as his last mixtape “Church Clothes”.

      But I would agree with you entirely, Christians are not perfect — We will never be.
      but the difference between a Christian and a non-believer is that we are STRIVING to become like Christ. We are not just going to settle for where we are right now.

      But the bible clearly tells us that everyone has sinned, and if anyone denies this then they make GOD out to be a liar.

      (1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      (1 John 1:9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      (1 John 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

      But as I stated several times in this article — the purpose of this article is not to cast LECRAE into the wilderness as a “Non-Christian”, but rather to call him back to his ROOTS which is Christ.

      Of course we are ALL sinners, but in his last mixtape it seemed as if Lecrae glorified his SIN more than the saving power of Christ.

      Instead of preaching AGAINST the sin, it seemed as if he was preaching TOLERANCE of the sin.

      But Although everyone sins, because Lecrae is considered a leader to some in the Christian community — therefore he is held to a higher standard and expected to be an honorable Ambassador for Christ.

      Lecrae faces more persecution from the CHURCH than he does from the world.

      … Something about that should let him know that he is going “off the track” somewhere.
      If The world hated JESUS, they should also HATE Lecrae, they shouldn’t LOVE him.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

  • NJ

    This is coming from a follower of Jesus Christ who admittedly struggles,
    I do not drink, smoke or go to clubs, but I do struggle with sin as do
    you, the author of this article and all those who commented. My
    position is this, isn’t it possible that Lecrae is/has simply been
    venting and or lashing out? I listened to his last album “Anomaly”, the
    only album I’ve ever heard by Lecrae (I’ve never really followed his
    music) and what I heard sounded like someone who is completely
    frustrated with hypocrisy in the world and with “church folks.” My definition of “church folks” (who are my main focus in my response to this blog), is people who are
    merely going to church and not being truly transparent OR living for
    Christ to the fullest of their own capabilities, YET have commentary on
    everyone else who they perceive to be beneath them or not as “mature”
    spiritually (a contradiction in themselves and totally blinded to their
    on Pharasee-ish ways).

    Isn’t it possible that he has suffered his
    fair share of “church hurt” and is really in the middle of a make or
    break battle for his own soul? I will admit I have to look for myself
    and think twice about pursuing his music any further after having read
    the lyrics about selling his soul vs saving it because that is truly
    disturbing, but let me again stress that this guy is human just like all
    of us and he is struggling publicly and admittedly with finding his
    place in this world, which is something I can totally relate to.

    I
    believe there is an army of BELIEVING church goers who are frustrated,
    hurt, confused, and who feel as if they don’t fit in the world OR in the
    church, which is confusing to those individuals and is pretty much a
    daRn shame on “church folks”. I’m sure it has a lot to do with the
    individual themselves, BUT let’s not act like “church folks” are without
    fault and are innocent of what has contributed to what drove him to
    begin his spiral downward spiritually if he stays on a destructive path
    and that is IF it is in fact venting and or lashing out vs it being he
    is just an imposter or what have you.

    There is an army of his
    kind who are cast aside whether inadvertently or purposefully because of
    how “deep” they feel and how passionate AND VOCAL they are when it
    comes to actually LIVING the word and attempting to HELP make POSITIVE
    change within the church world. “Church Folks” these days do not seem to
    be able to handle criticism unless they are the ones giving it. They
    only want to hear from certain people and I can respect that to a point
    because you can’t listen to everybody on every topic, BUT if God can use
    ANIMALS, prostitutes, liars, thieves, murderers to any extent, WHY
    can’t “church folks” be humble enough to HEAR TRUTH when it is set
    before them from even those they may not personally like or understand?

    I
    personally feel like we all have ourselves to blame at the end of the
    day for our choices, but we cannot disregard or throw away our
    brother(s) and sisters!!! Especially, when we KNOW WE AS PART OF THE
    CHURCH HAVE WRONGED THEM AT ANY POINT OR TO ANY EXTENT (not that we know
    him or have wrong him personally).

    As a body, let’s just be
    honest we have failed people like him over and over and then get on
    these sites and post blogs etc that only highlight OUR OWN shortcomings.
    I can respect this blog as a warning to pay closer attention to these
    artists, BUT that’s all. Its not our job as brothers and sisters to
    highlight each others faults and struggles. You can throw out a billion
    more scriptures out there about how this guy is
    STRUGGLING/FRUSTRATED/TEMPTED/FALLING or FAILING, but at the end of the
    day the POINT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND RESTORE EACH OTHER.
    “Church folks” are not exempt from edification just because they don’t
    like where the message is coming from or how it came.

    I do NOT
    condone ANY of his CONFESSIONS of sin (meaning I do not condone the sin,
    but I acknowledge what he’s said as confession, openness, and close to
    brokenness because HOW ELSE CAN TRUE REPENTANCE COME???) but think about
    it, would he put it out there and contradict himself the way he has for
    the heck of it (when he has clearly shifted according to this article)
    or is it a call for help/prayer/intercession. Nobody is listening to the
    REAL problem because all we see is outer and all we hear is basically
    what we want to hear so we can go post about it later. I don’t know his
    heart or intentions, but guess what? DUDE HAS A POINT on a several
    things in his album ANOMALY, so I’m not concerned about what he’s said
    in the past. I’m supposed to try and look at him today and go from
    there.

    He is NOT the only Christian to go wild; lets be honest
    there are several “Christian/Gospel” artists who are sincerely faking it
    we would call it, though God would most likely call it struggling.
    “Church Folks” today and in the past a like are EXTREMELY FULL OF PRIDE
    (SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS) to the point of chasing potential warriors for
    CHRIST away because THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
    INDIVIDUALS VALUE, but nobody sees that or wants to hear that’s part of
    the problem.

    Lecrae is ONE man what about the countless others
    who are out there and actually can understand his frustration? Isn’t it
    time for us to let God get us together and so we can go get him and the
    others and bring them back? In my humble, but deeply honest opinion
    “Church folks” owe a MAJOR apology TO BE MANIFESTED IN ACTIONS to people
    like him IF I’m anywhere close to being right about his
    intentions/struggles AND ALL OF THE OTHERS we’ll never hear from.

    Excuse
    the all caps, I get passionate about these topics because there’s too
    much criticism and what seems to be intent to expose everything we ALL
    already know is wrong,but not enough mirrors circulating in what is
    supposed to be the body of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment NJ,

      Yes not only is it possible that Lecrae is lashing out, but I think that could very well be the case.

      I checked out Lecrae’s latest album as well and it is not nearly as bad as his last mixtape “Church Clothes”.

      But I would agree with you entirely, Christians are not perfect — We will never be.
      but the difference between a Christian and a non-believer is that we are STRIVING to become like Christ. We are not just going to settle for where we are right now.

      But the bible clearly tells us that everyone has sinned, and if anyone denies this then they make GOD out to be a liar.

      (1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      (1 John 1:9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      (1 John 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

      But as I stated several times in this article — the purpose of this article is not to cast LECRAE into the wilderness as a “Non-Christian”, but rather to call him back to his ROOTS which is Christ.

      Of course we are ALL sinners, but in his last mixtape it seemed as if Lecrae glorified his SIN more than the saving power of Christ.

      Instead of preaching AGAINST the sin, it seemed as if he was preaching TOLERANCE of the sin.

      But Although everyone sins, because Lecrae is considered a leader to some in the Christian community — therefore he is held to a higher standard and expected to be an honorable Ambassador for Christ.

      Lecrae faces more persecution from the CHURCH than he does from the world.

      … Something about that should let him know that he is going “off the track” somewhere.
      If The world hated JESUS, they should also HATE Lecrae, they shouldn’t LOVE him.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

  • NJ

    This is coming from a follower of Jesus Christ who admittedly struggles.
    I do not drink, smoke, or go to clubs, but I do struggle with sin as do
    you, the author of this article and all those who commented. My
    position is this, isn’t it possible that Lecrae is/has simply been
    venting and or lashing out? I listened to his last album “Anomaly”, the
    only album I’ve ever owned or heard by Lecrae (I’ve never really followed his
    music) and what I heard sounded like someone who is completely
    frustrated with hypocrisy in the world and with “church folks.”
    My definition of “church folks” (who are the main focus in my response to this blog), is people who are
    merely going to church and not being truly transparent AND OR are not living for
    Christ to the fullest of their own capabilities, YET have commentary on
    everyone else who THEY perceive to be beneath them or not as “mature”
    spiritually (a contradiction in themselves and totally blinded to their
    on Pharasee-ish ways).

    Isn’t it possible that he has suffered his fair share of “church hurt”
    and is really in the middle of a make or break battle for his own soul?
    I will admit I am going to listen even more closely and also think twice about pursuing his
    music any further after having read the lyrics about selling his soul vs
    saving it because that is truly disturbing, but let me again stress that
    this guy is human just like all of us and he is struggling publicly (even if at his own whim) and
    admittedly with finding his place in this world, which is something I can totally relate to as far
    as struggling goes.

    I believe there is an army of BELIEVING church goers who are frustrated,
    hurt, confused, and feel as if they don’t fit in the world OR in the
    church, which is where that confusion comes in and where CONVICTION should
    set in as far as these “church folks” because it is pretty much a
    daRn shame that offenses and transgressions against PEOPLE’S SOULS are
    faithfully swept under the rug and ignored for the most part it seems.
    I’m sure it has a lot to do with the individual themselves, BUT let’s not act
    like “church folks” are without fault/innocent of what has most likely
    contributed to begin his spiral downward spiritually if he stays on a
    destructive path and that is IF it is in fact venting and or lashing out vs it
    just being he is an imposter and low key a vessel of satan or something.

    THERE IS AN ARMY
    of his kind who are cast aside whether inadvertently or purposefully because of
    how “deep” they feel and how passionate AND VOCAL they are when it
    comes to actually LIVING the word and attempting to HELP make POSITIVE
    change within the church world and the non church world.
    “Church Folks” these days do not seem to be able to handle criticism
    unless they are the ones giving it. They only want to hear from certain
    people and I can respect that to a point because you can’t listen to everybody
    on every topic, BUT if God can use ANIMALS, prostitutes, FORMER DECEIVERS, thieves,
    murderers to any extent, WHY can’t “church folks” be humble enough to
    HEAR TRUTH when it is set before them from even those they may
    not personally like or understand? Who are we as humans that we can’t hear
    from one another ESPECIALLY when we call ourselves apart of the body of Christ?

    I personally feel like we all have ourselves to blame at the end of the
    day for our choices, but we cannot disregard or throw away our
    brother(s) and sisters!!! Especially, when we KNOW WE AS PART OF THE
    CHURCH HAVE WRONGED THEM AT ANY POINT OR TO ANY EXTENT (not that we know
    him or have wrong him personally).

    As a body, let’s just be
    honest we have failed people like him over and over and then get on
    these sites and post blogs etc that only highlight OUR OWN shortcomings and dare I say BLINDNESS.
    I can respect this blog as a warning to pay closer attention to these
    artists, BUT that’s all. Its not our job as brothers and sisters to
    highlight each others faults and struggles. You can throw a billion
    more scriptures out there about how this guy is wrong in your eyes and how he is
    FALLING or FAILING, but at the end of the day he’s someone who is STRUGGLING/FRUSTRATED/
    and TEMPTED. He very well may be off the chain and willfully walking in darkness,
    but the POINT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE
    ONE ANOTHER, EVERYONE AND RESTORE EACH OTHER.

    “Church folks” are not exempt from edification just because they don’t
    like who the message is coming from or how it came and also they don’t just
    get to throw people away like they’re God pronouncing hopelessness and hell on others.

    I do NOT
    condone ANY of his CONFESSIONS of sin (meaning I do not condone the sin,
    but I personally acknowledge what he’s said as confession, openness, and close to
    brokenness because HOW ELSE CAN TRUE REPENTANCE COME???) but think about
    it, would he put it out there and contradict himself the way he has for
    the heck of it (when he has clearly shifted according to this article)
    or is it a call for help/prayer/intercession.

    Nobody is listening to the
    REAL problems because all we see is outer and all we hear is basically
    what we want to hear so we can go post about it later. I don’t know his
    heart or intentions, but guess what? DUDE HAS A POINT on a several
    things in his album ANOMALY, so I’m not too concerned about what he’s said/done
    in the past because I’m supposed to try and look at him today and go from
    there.

    He is NOT the only Christian to go wild. Lets be honest
    there are several “Christian/Gospel” artists who are sincerely faking it
    we would call it, though God would most likely call it struggling.
    There are also those who are just in it for money and surely I have to believe there
    are those who are in it for the sole purpose of leading others astray, but I’m not yet convinced of that with Lecrae.

    “Church Folks” today and in the past a like are EXTREMELY FULL OF PRIDE
    (SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS) to the point of chasing away potential warriors for
    CHRIST because THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
    INDIVIDUALS VALUE to the body of Christ, but nobody sees that or wants to hear that’s part of
    the problem.

    Lecrae is ONE man. What about the countless others
    who are out there and who are NOT undercover working for satan
    and actually can feel and understand his frustration? Do they not matter??
    Are they just trouble makers, “bad seeds” , traitors? I mean come on the pain
    and anger these people are feeling IS REAL.
    Isn’t it time for us to surrender TOO and let God get us together and so we can go get him and the
    others like him and bring them back?

    In my humble, but deeply honest opinion
    “Church folks” owe a MAJOR apology TO BE MANIFESTED IN ACTIONS to people
    like him IF I’m anywhere close to being right about his
    intentions/struggles AND ALL OF THE OTHERS we’ll never hear from.

    Excuse
    the all caps, I get passionate about these topics because there’s too
    much criticism and what seems to be intent to expose everything we ALL
    have common sense to know is wrong, but not enough mirrors circulating in what is
    supposed to be the body of Christ.

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment NJ,

      Yes not only is it possible that Lecrae is lashing out, but I think that could very well be the case.

      I checked out Lecrae’s latest album as well and it is not nearly as bad as his last mixtape “Church Clothes”.

      But I would agree with you entirely, Christians are not perfect — We will never be.
      but the difference between a Christian and a non-believer is that we are STRIVING to become like Christ. We are not just going to settle for where we are right now.

      But the bible clearly tells us that everyone has sinned, and if anyone denies this then they make GOD out to be a liar.

      (1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      (1 John 1:9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      (1 John 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

      But as I stated several times in this article — the purpose of this article is not to cast LECRAE into the wilderness as a “Non-Christian”, but rather to call him back to his ROOTS which is Christ.

      Of course we are ALL sinners, but in his last mixtape it seemed as if Lecrae glorified his SIN more than the saving power of Christ.

      Instead of preaching AGAINST the sin, it seemed as if he was preaching TOLERANCE of the sin.

      But Although everyone sins, because Lecrae is considered a leader to some in the Christian community — therefore he is held to a higher standard and expected to be an honorable Ambassador for Christ.

      Lecrae faces more persecution from the CHURCH than he does from the world.

      … Something about that should let him know that he is going “off the track” somewhere.
      If The world hated JESUS, they should also HATE Lecrae, they shouldn’t LOVE him.

      (John 15:19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

      • Didi

        Correction, it was the actual Jews that hated Christ and crucified Him…. HIS own people…. the scriptures you used are invalid only due to the fact that Lecrae never said he didn’t sin or isn’t a sinner.

        • dlundy1

          QUOTE: “Correction, it was the actual Jews that hated Christ and crucified Him…. HIS own people”

          REPLY: Incorrect, if it was the JEWS that Hated Christ — then why didn’t his disciples hate him? They too were Jews. (Matthew 16:16)

          If it was the Jews that Hated Christ, why did they scream and shout “Hosanna” when he entered the city? (John 12:13)

          It was not ALL the Jews that hated Jesus, it was the Jewish leaders and those who believed them.

          Remember that.

          QUOTE: “the scriptures you used are invalid only due to the fact that Lecrae never said he didn’t sin or isn’t a sinner.”

          REPLY: I need you to explore this thought further. I never said Lecrae doesn’t admit that he sins, therefore what scriptures have been invalidated?

          Your logic is “Circular”

          • Maddie

            I neither agree or disagree with this article at this time as I am someone who has literally grown up with Lecrae’s music. I am still trying to discover what truly is going on for myself.I do,however,disagree with this comment you made. You asked why it was that his disciples did not hate Him. I find that incredibly wrong and not a good argument at all. They were probably wary of Him in the beginning, just like everyone else but they made the decision to follow Him.Through the Bible on many occasions the disciples questioned their faith. Some things, they found hard to believe.The Bible clearly states that the Jews were the ones who had Christ killed. Jesus said to his disciples, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” (Mark 6:4) He barely worked any miracles in his hometown and the surrounding areas because they lacked faith. There were Jews who hated Christ but God “winked at their ignorance” as they were His chosen people and God knew that it would be extremely hard for them to believe.Christ had to then switch to the Gentiles who were more willing to hear His message and what He had to say. I am in no way trying to offend Jews,by the way, as I am of Jewish heritage. The Jews did scream and shout Hosanna when Jesus entered the city but in the Bible it says that many of those same people came out as well to scream”Crucify Him!”. I know Im writing a long paragraph and sound rambly but that first thing you said about why the disciples didnt hate Him?That itched my skin.
            God bless you and if I ever offended you ,I apologize in advance.
            Your sister in Christ.

          • dlundy1

            Thank you for your comment Maddie.

            I must disagree with what you are saying.

            Jesus disciples had little faith, but this is not to be compared with disbelief. The Pharisees rejected Jesus, his disciples did not.

            You will see that Jesus acknowledged this when he prayed for them to the father.

            (John 17:6 KJV) I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

            (John 17:7 KJV) Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

            (John 17:8 KJV) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

            Although some Jews rejected Jesus, it is important to note that not ALL Jews did.

            Jesus’s disciples did not REJECT him, they received the word that God sent them. They received Jesus.

            With that being said, you also stated the following….

            QUOTE: “Christ had to then switch to the Gentiles who were more willing to hear His message and what He had to say.”

            REPLY: This is incorrect, Christ did not preach to the Gentiles because it was not yet time. He also instructed the original 12 that they were not to either (at this time).

            This is because It wasn’t God’s will for Christ to preach to the gentiles — that task would be given to the Apostle Paul after the Sacrifice (crucifixion) had been made.

            (Matthew 10:5 KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

            (Matthew 10:6 KJV) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

            Here we see that Jesus instructed the 12 not to go to the gentiles (yet) but instead to the lost sheep of Israel.

            But I thank you for sharing your thoughts!
            Be Blessed.

    • Damaris

      This was so deep!!!!!!!! I agree with you 110%! I have been reading almost every comment and this is the ONLY ONE my Spirit confirmed is genuine and in line with God’s will for us all. This goes not only for Lecrae but for Christians ALL over the world!

  • Daniel Connors

    Why is there so much conflict within the comment section?
    1 Corinthians 1:10 tells us: “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.”
    I have personally been impacted by Lecrae and his songs, however I am uneducated in this area, and to not spark any more conflict I will leave it at this.

  • Daniel Connors

    Why is there so much conflict within the comment section?
    1 Corinthians 1:10 tells us: “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.”
    I have personally been impacted by Lecrae and his songs, however I am uneducated in this area, and to not spark any more conflict I will leave it at this.

  • Adrienne

    It sounds like hes power-tripping. Haha referring to the old song “Power Trip” of his. It is sad that he is going down the path he is, I hope he finds his way back to jesus.

    • dlundy1

      I hope so too Adrienne, continue to pray for him.

      Thanks for commenting!

  • Adrienne

    It sounds like hes power-tripping. Haha referring to the old song “Power Trip” of his. It is sad that he is going down the path he is, I hope he finds his way back to jesus.

    • dlundy1

      I hope so too Adrienne, continue to pray for him.

      Thanks for commenting!

  • Ben

    Lecrae obviously has a multiple. Anyway you look at it. The man to the christians making them merchandise. A good point here, only you Christians listen to him, despite his allegiance to hip hop culture. He is your phenomena and couldn’t exist without you. The hip hop industry only changes him, and… you. Not counterwise. Then the man to the media, hip hop. Showing an example of a man who has a diluted philosophy (a broken belief system) and is versed in double speak (im not a Christian rapper, i am a devoted Christian) . Gibberish.

  • Ben

    Lecrae obviously has a multiple. Anyway you look at it. The man to the christians making them merchandise. A good point here, only you Christians listen to him, despite his allegiance to hip hop culture. He is your phenomena and couldn’t exist without you. The hip hop industry only changes him, and… you. Not counterwise. Then the man to the media, hip hop. Showing an example of a man who has a diluted philosophy (a broken belief system) and is versed in double speak (im not a Christian rapper, i am a devoted Christian) . Gibberish.

  • Michelle L. Cramer

    To all: The song lyrics in question on this particular article are judgmental, for sure, but he’s not calling out any one person. He’s pointing out the EXACT problem that is going on in this article and many of the comments — Christians worrying too much about the lives of other Christians and not enough about how they are reflecting God themselves. I think its honorable that his work is moving mainstream. I pray that it becomes a shining light of a hopeful message among messages of despair, emptiness and the resulting sin. We should be praying about what he can do for the kingdom in this position, not criticizing him for “hanging out” with sinners. Jesus hung out with sinners too!

    Loving Lacrae’s newest song, which has him nominated for a Grammy!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqH7azFRUYU

    • dlundy1

      QUOTE:”I think its honorable that his work is moving mainstream.”

      REPLY: At what Cost? Is is also “Honorable” that his music is moving mainstream if it means moving AWAY from Christ?

      Jesus and I must disagree with you.(Luke 9:26)

      QUOTE: We should be praying about what he can do for the kingdom in this position, not criticizing him for “hanging out” with sinners. Jesus hung out with sinners too!

      REPLY: As has already been discovered in this blog post, this is not factual. Jesus did not hang out with sinners — sinners hung around JESUS.

      Read the section “Did Jesus ‘hang out’ with non-believers”

  • @1chosenlady

    I’m not saying he is or isn’t but this type of article is exactly what he’s rapping about. We all know those things are going on in as well as outside the church. That’s what we like to hide the truth of people in the church are merely sinners trying to find a way out. Then it’s those in the church that feel like they overcame one sin and now they are better than someone who hasn’t. Then instead of embracing and loving they push away people. So it’s a harsh reality to want to get your life together when you turn to the church and the church hurt you worse than the world. So he’s saying if this is how the church is going to treat people it makes the other side which is eternal damnation seem more appealing to someone that’s not as strong in their walk. That’s what I got from the lyrics you posted in the article. We must do better in the church to give people love and less judgment and criticism like Jesus he met everyone where they were with LOVE or souls won’t get save they’ll get more loss.

  • Darian Karusso Williams

    Deon, I don’t think you understand music man. Lecrae is not talking from his perspective, he is talking from the perspective of an unbeliever. How could you not see that? The whole article is unnecessary and misleading. Come on man!

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Darian!
      Let me point you to a line from one of Lecrae’s verses…

      “And I don’t rap Gospel, I live that
      But I’m nothin’ but a gimmick?
      You Seen me in a club?
      hmm-Funny, you was in it?”

      Is he rapping from HIS vantage point, or the vantage point of an unbeliever?

      Most people would agree that because he said that he LIVE the Gospel — he is clearly rapping from HIS perspective.

      Yet he follows that up by scrutinizing a Christian who saw him in the Club yet was in it.

      But I ask you, Why was he in the Club to begin with?

      Do you think that the “Club” is a good place for a Christian to be?

      • Fro_Wundas

        As a Christian artist who evangelizes outside of the 4 walls. I perform in clubs often. I’m not getting drunk turning up or any of the other assumptions that could be made about a Christian in the club. Maybe Crae is performing in a club.

  • wes

    All of those lyrics, if you had ears to hear, openly denounce those actions. He is portraying the sinner in those lyrics (i.e. voicing their thoughts and actions and the consequences to follow) by using the first-person. This article is trolling garbage and I’m sorry I gave you a “view”.

  • Nicole Davis

    Its sad that we are using this young man’s life as a lesson that he might have or have not learn. We are our own worst enemy. Because we are human we become subject to earthly temptations. He is a young man wanting and waiting for the desires of his heart( only heaven&hell may know) I think he speaks from both sides of his mouth and perhaps he’s not to be followed but to he considered an example. I think he’s done nothing more than what T.D Jakes, Creflo Dollar,and Tyler Perry have not to mention Yolanda Adams n her morning show. We are only accountable for ourselves. God will not ask you abt Lecrae he will ask you abt YOU. That is all carry on…..

  • This article is straight up slander.

  • TruthChoseMe

    This article made me…. LAUGH!!!! Your lack of understanding of the content and perspectives of the song makes your views looks so superficial, lacking much spiritual depth. You use singled out scriptures out of the context to try to promote your points and it still doesn’t make the point you are trying to make. You’re indoctrinated by religion you are not yet walking in complete truth because I have yet to see this young man’s songs lead anyone away from God. Get into your prayer closet and ask God first to set you free from all the doctrines of men that you have been subjugated to through so called “Christianity” and to remove the spirit of judgment and legalism from your perspective and I promise you you’ll be singing a different tune…

  • Fro_Wundas

    Whoever wrote this did it for hits and web traffic and we fell for it hook line and sinker. Smh lol! And I can understand how many people can read this article and look at the manipulation of Lecrea’s lyrics. Strategically picked out of certain songs without explaining the context and subject matter of those songs. And they will believe the person who wrote this terrible piece of hate on another man’s success. If you have limited background or history of Crea or just hip-hop in general this article may have fooled you, but don’t be fooled I encourage everyone siding with this dude to do your own background on crea and what he stands for and has always stood for. Also, how can we call it speaking the truth when Christians point out the wrongs of “Secular” artist in their songs. But when we point out the flaws and inconsistent behavior of some of our own people (Christians) now He’s Anti-Christ and hates the Church? Lol wrong is wrong no matter who’s doing it. And at what point have you seen him “Embrace Drugs” as you stated earlier in this article. Come on I should even be giving this man an audience and responding to this but I’m saying all that to say this, let Lecrae live his life! He has God to answer to for any mistakes he may be making along the way, not you just because you used to be a fan. And I’m so sick of the notion that when people outside of the Church likes a Christian and they start to get noticed we assume they must have sold their souls to become popular. It’s getting way too old.

    • dlundy1

      QUOTE: “And I’m so sick of the notion that when people outside of the Church likes a Christian and they start to get noticed we assume they must have sold their souls to become popular. It’s getting way too old. ”

      REPLY: Jesus said that the unbelieving world is going to HATE his disciples — not LOVE them. (Matt 10:22)

      Therefore either YOU are lying, or JESUS was.

      I’ll let you decide which.

  • Richard Arnell Harris

    Great points!! I do not know if Bro is or isn’t transforming into something else but I do agree that I’ve caught him in some odd places (in persona) a time or two. However I myself have fallen short just this past year and I Work AVIDLY to stay in the light. Let’s Pray for Bro but keep a behavior that shows our desire to remain safe much like if a Biological family member were involved in activities that might endanger the rest of the fold. Also, Sorry about your “‘static with ssoome of the readers. So many reasons that’s happening. At the end of the day (life), We will all stand accountable so jusst keep working to bless those you can, be a brother to those you can and do what you can. Work like the ants bro. God bless!

    • dlundy1

      Great comment Richard!

      I agree with you entirely, lets keep lecrae lifted up in prayer because I am certain that he has secular forces trying to ease him away from his original path.

      We all struggle and fall short, the point of this article is NOT to suggest that Lecrae is not a Christian because he makes mistakes — we all make mistakes, even as followers of Christ.

      But the purpose of this article is to point out to Lecrae that his direction is slowly being shifted.

      As a follower of Christ, how can we BASH another follower? Therefore the purpose of this article is not to shame him — but to instead point out flaw so that CORRECTION will be made.

      If a man claims to love his brother, yet does not warn him when he goes astray — that man is a liar.

      • James Bradley

        Yes I agree also, lets continue to pray that the enemy does not sway into the dark side of life. I am a fan of his music and I to can tell that some of his lyrics is different. So I hope that the spirit of the lord will reveal to him what’s going on and then praying that he take his exit and get back on track.

        God bless you all.

        • James Bradley

          I also pray and hope that this article is not an attempt to distroy his image or his ministry. God is to be lifted up. some times we as people get caught up in gossip.

          God bless!

        • dlundy1

          Thanks for your comment James,

          You are not alone — many people have began noticing a change in Lecrae’s music, I sincerely hope that our Brother examines his direction and re-plants himself in the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  • Grant J. Reynolds

    Bro you are causing more chaos than anything. The way you are interacting with the people that disagree with your viewpoint saddens my heart. Maybe somebody should write a blog article about how combative and divisssive we are as a Christian community, but then again that would hit too many nerves.

    On Lecrae:
    When you go to a Lecrae concert the Gospel is intertwined in the entire show. The Gospel is number one and his music is second. Atleast that’s how the Anomoly Tour and the other various shows I’ve been to have been. How did he get people there? Through God’s grace and his music that crosses divides. His music can be listened to by anyone and anyone can relate to it. So, people come to the concert and experience the Gospel. I love it personally.

    You have twisted and manipulated portions of songs. Songs are art and not one dimensional. He can be writing a song from a drug addicts point of view in order to talk to them. Kind of similar to parable used by Jesus isn’t it? Christian music right now is very one sided, but Lecrae’s music has depth and layers and that is why he can connect and reach people. He is sowing seeds into lives so that God can harvest. So, don’t be so closed minded. He is reaching people you and I never will. When was the last time da’Truth, Propaganda, This’l, or any other strictly “christian” rapper was on The Tonight Show grasping people’s attention and planting a seed? We work as a body. Someone may hear Lecrae’s music and know he is a Christian and he may think, “Huh I’ll try that Jesus thing.” That to me is the Gospel!

    Also, Lecrae is not a worship leader. Sometimes we hold christian musicians to that even if they aren’t nor want to be! I understand that we all worship with our lives and are called to worship Him, but that can be through making good music! Why? Because He mad music! There are so many more possibilities than we think sometimes. Jesus doesn’t live in the box we have created for Him. Read the Gospels as if He was a real man, it’s incredible!

    So, who are we to judge? We don’t know his heart but we can see the fruit of his labor and the fruit is millions of people seeing the gospel in a fresh way. And if I remember correctly the fruit is an indicator of the tree.

    I’m not looking to argue because I hate it, but I just want you to think and be open minded. I am worrie you have used this to boost your blog by posting a controversial article right after Lecrae was on the Tonight Show…idk but that’s how it looks. Examine your motives.

    I love you in Christ, I really do, but just as you want to keep Lecrae accountable I want to keep you accountable. I would love to hear your thoughts but not if you want to argue. If you wish to argue don’t even comment. Peace be with you.

  • Taylor D Jones

    This is possibly the most misguided article I have ever read. The lyrics used to incriminate Lecrae in this article, when put into context, were used as a way to empathize with the point of view some non-Christians have on the outside looking in. Anyone who has observed Lecrae’s ministry and has seen him pour out his heart knows it is ludicrous to think that what he is saying is his own thoughts. To be more clear on an issue that should be common knowledge, he has re-stated numerous times in interviews that these particular songs are coming from a view of a fictional yet very realistic character in our society.

  • Imani B

    Walking with Christ was never meant to be a one step process. The Christian walk in life is a journey and along that journey, each of us should expect to be tempted. Sometimes, we may even fall off course and get sidetracked. Listening to Lecrae’s latest music does not make me believe that he has sold out his faith for the almighty dollar. The lyrics highlighted to show this shift, instead show me the thoughts of a man at a crossroads who is reevaluating his faith. Reading his words makes me wonder what trials he is facing in his own spiritual life. Being a mainstream artist now means that these thoughts can be artistically conveyed for the enjoyment and/or scrutiny of all. All I am saying is that being a practicing Christian in today’s world is not easy and that fact is further compounded when you are in a spotlight. I will not judge him. Instead, I will pray for him as I would pray for myself and any other person. I pray he finds the peace that his soul is obviously lacking right now. I pray that he is able to continue his walk with Christ even as his career expands.

  • Andrew

    whoever wrote this doesn’t know hip hop and storytelling. artists throughout hip hop history have used songs to speak from other people’s perspectives. that’s what Lecrae did in “Welcome To America” and “Church Clothes”. your not holy based on how many times you say God or Jesus

  • YESHUAz BRIDE

    WHEAT AND TARES…. WHO IS ‘THE CHURCH’ N E WAYz …. ?

  • Joel

    I don’t know much about Lecrae but from the lyrics provided, I feel he was telling a story with his music. Many artists tell stories with their music, paintings, and books that are told from a different point of view. I’m a writer myself and I sometimes create characters who are broken and don’t find God. Why? Because in the real world, not everyone gets saved. I feel that Lecrae was using his newer songs to tells a story through the eyes of a hypocrite in the church. That doesn’t mean he is hypocrite. Also, aren’t we as Christians suppose to go into the secular communities, show love to all men, and be an example of Christ? I don’t think you should call a someone out for spending time with a person of a different belief because, for all you know, God have called them to talk to that person and show them the love that God showed us.

    I’ll end by saying this: I don’t know Lecrae. I’ve never met him and I’ve only heard a few songs. But, I’ll tell you right now that he has been an inspiration to thousands of young gospel hip hop artists around the globe. Some of my best friends are on fire for Jesus because of Lecrae. God’s message is what is important, not the source of which comes.

    Instead of criticizing the man, we should be praying for him. Daily.

  • Ryan

    This is a slanderous piece of work that has no business coming from the mouth or pen of someone who would call themselves a Christ follower. I’ve never commented on an article before, but this makes me sick. Delete this post, or at least make the effort to speak a little truth when you write.

  • Amanda Gazaway

    Alot of ur quotes of what he said in his verses were ‘as if’ he was the person seeing it or from their view..he spoke as another person, not refearing to himself..i defend lecrae full heartly, bc if he were to really mess up, he is still my brother, God still loves him so much & wont give up on Lecrae so why would I. A dad wont leave u if he has real love for u, & thats humanly speaking, the love of Christ is way more than even that. I love my brother & im tired of everybody picking on him fr..i dont see any of u after your ‘made up theory’ or if u really sense a problem, asking him if hes doing alright. Your hopes to put him on blast so u can go viral & so u can get glory for yourself. Bc that does not in any way bring glory to the Father. (Think about, are u checking right now how many ppl shared or liked your post?just to tear down a brother. Sidenote: if he sees this, do u feel it hurts him, think if somebody was talkn crap about u)Calling out a member of the body to the world, biblically speaking is wrong, u deal w/ matters privatly.so people who are not saved wont think we’re hating on eachother.bc thats not brotherly love or kindness, thats false fruit your feeding nonbelievers.

  • jenny

    I couldn’t read the rest of this article. First u ARE doing exactly what you are bashing Lecrae is doing! Second, his songs are metaphors!! Church clothes he is simply stating that the church got this holyness backwards like its all about what we wear wen def its the inside like the Pharisees n washing of hands. It’s showing why ppl of the world dont. Really wanna walk in the church now! Church clothes is who we r in Him…as far as him not rapping the gospel but living it is awesome, however, it was never said what he was doing in the club scenes just painting a picture of what’s going on in the church judging each other constantly…rap is a poetic form, and creative. U cant take everything litetal, put the pieces together to understand the artist! Church clothes he was coming from a new believer or lost person’s perspective…as far as his projects, u dk if God will use these as creative outlets to bring the unsaved that he is working with INTO the Kingdom! We gotta do bettet yah, take the limits off God n what He can and WILL DO! We gotta get out of that religious mindset like the Pharisees, man!!! And if u still dont agree, dowhat God has called us to do and love on him and #PRAY for him! #Think for yourselves! Alright, im out!

  • Noah_from_progressive

    The most stupid, untrue, and hate-filled article I have ever read. Shame on you for calling yourself a Christian.

  • Josh Huckstep

    This article is slanderous and incompetent. You clearly have no idea how to listen to a concept record. The title track to church clothes was not a first person narrative. It was told from the perspective of a non believer/luke warm christian, as was Devil in Disguise on CC2. As someone who has broken bread with Lecrae and attended multiple church services with him, I can tell you he is genuine in his approach in regards to spreading the Gospel. Praying for the author.

    • Jonny_S

      Finally, @Josh Huckstep… someone has some common sense. I read through many of these posts and yours was the first one I saw that seemed like you HAVE listened to the lyrics before. As for those with doubts, many of Lecrae’s songs describe hypothetical situations or are from a 3rd person perspective. The guy is genuine, as is his message. The very lyrics quoted in this article are taken out of context. I notice that the entire song was not quoted. The author simply picked the parts they wanted to prove their point. Yes, Lecrae does use the lyrics quoted in this article. What the author fails to do is mention how Lecrae changes as the “character” being portrayed in the song. In the verses quoted above… the “character” does talk about drinking, smoking, and so on. However, in the final verse of that song the character realizes that the struggle with these things is more then he can manage on his own and turns to God for help. The story of this song is told in a fashion similar to an older song of Lecrae’s… “Prayin for You.” In this song, Lecrae goes through the entire thing talking about a “friend” who struggles with all sorts of worldy desire and sin. At the end, Lecrae finally reveals that the person he has been praying for was himself. I have seen this guy perform live, heard him speak, and have every album released by him and the rest of the 116 crew. I have NEVER seen or heard anything from any of them to make me question their desire or sincerity in spreading the Word. To me… this article appears to be nothing more than the devil at work… a bunch of misunderstandings and half told truth to try and lead others astray. What God is doing with Lecrae is real. He is allowing him to use his gifts to fulfill the Great Commission!

    • Boss

      Dude! thanks for saying this. Agreed. The fact that people think other wise is crazy and comes from a judgmental spirit!

    • luke

      Absolutely agreed

  • jerad

    So your saying everyone stick to a certian type of people and preach to those who are churched….yeah you have lost your focus on what chirst wants sad

  • mike

    What you all don’t understand is that we all sin and we all have faults and if you want to bash lecrae because he talks about them in his songs and think about just because he’s a “star” doesn’t mean his problems just disappear

  • Chelsea

    Dude are you serious…smh. You do know in Church Clothes he was writing from the view of a nonbeliever? And that’s all I’m going to say, because I can’t even take this post seriously. You must be one of those conspiracy theorists who watch YouTube videos and believe everything they hear.

  • Rahim Shaheed

    PEOPLE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO BOTH SONGS FOR YOURSELF!!! This man is intentionally using lecrea’s words out of context to manipulate you. He intentionally only proved lyrics that propagate his agenda. Here are links to both song so you can gain a clear understanding http://youtu.be/d7Vm5_cJmm.
    http://youtu.be/tlWvx0wdySk

  • Chelsea

    It seems like you’ve spent more time trying to break down Lecrae’s life than you have been examining your own. You’re misleading people who don’t know how to look up FACTS and information for themselves. Disappointing, really. Followers of Christ going at each other’s throats, and for what? Just don’t listen to him if you don’t like him, man. This guy is reaching more people–and more POSITIVELY–than a lot of us are and will in our lifetimes.

    • dlundy1

      Why are you so defensive?

      I have nothing against Lecrae as a person, I simply have noticed that I have been hearing LESS and LESS “Christ” in his “Positive-Music”.

      Positive Music is Nice — But it doesn’t save souls.

  • Tyrone J

    “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” – I Corinthians 9:19-22 (NKJV)

    This is clearly the model that Lecrae is following the song “Church Clothes”, “Killa”, “Take Me As I Am”, those songs are his perspective of certain groups of people.

    And why hasn’t the author insisted on praying for him instead of bashing him in this articale? But yet talked about Lecrae bashing the Church? Isn’t that hypocritical?

    Stop being decitful by misrepresenting the facts. Lecrae has stated numerous times he’s doesn’t want to be labeled a christian rapper because of the stigma that both the church and christian rappers brought on them but rather be called a christian who writes music to impact people and saves souls and glorify God.

    I’m sorry but this articale has done nothing but encourage people to be distrusting and strife. This is sad. This articale is extremely bias and propaganda driven and there isn’t one ounce of objectivity in it. Smh. A more recent song by Lecrae, “Give In” addresses these kind of articales that causes division among the people of God.

  • Jermaine

    I’m not even a Lecrae fan but, frankly speaking, this is THE worst, most inaccurate and ill-informed article I’ve seen about Lecrae yet. Those lyrics they quoted from the song “Church Clothes” were spoken from another person’s perspective; specifically an unbeliever. He was basically expressing their view of life, church and why they refuse to come. IT’S TOTALLY OBVIOUS! They may need to listen to it again. Classic case of something being taken completely out of context. I couldn’t even make it through the whole article. Once I saw that, the validity of their perspective was shot.

  • jeff

    TLDR

    • dlundy1

      DR;DC 🙂

  • Niki Lanier

    This article is a perfect example of Christians…
    Who are you to judge anyone. This alone is the reason people like myself are leaving the church. Yall might want to watch Hidden Colors 1-3….unless you wish to remain sheep.

  • The Illuminati

    I respectfully disagree. Jesus by example went to the places where unbelievers were and made them believers not Christians. Jesus wasn’t a Christian and the term itself is derived though French Hellenistic misinterpreted transliteration. Paul wrote about religion. That it meant nothing unless it had charity. Not that I am anything of the sort. Just stating facts that Christians never know -_-

    • dlundy1

      When Jesus went into dark places, he remained who he was — he didn’t diminish his light for anyone nor did he alter his identity.

      Lecrae started as a Christian rapper, and when he entered the darkness — he became a “Rapper” that is simply “Christian”.

      Therefore he separated CHRIST from him ministry.

      Any Ministry that subtracts CHRIST (the Gospel) is not a Ministry.

  • dlundy1

    Thanks for your comment,

    I agreed with much of what you said, but I must bother to ask — did you take the time to read the entire article.

    you claimed that the post was build around the false premise that Lecrae was leaving the Church — your statement is false.

    Nowhere in the article did it definitively claim that Lecrae was leaving in the church, the TITLE only poses a possible QUESTION — not a statement.

    2. You are right that Jesus was mad at the Religious leaders for their Hypocrisy — but with that being said, you also claimed that Jesus hung around Sinners — this is false (as the article already addressed).

    Jesus did not hang around sinners, instead sinners hung around Jesus. (big difference)

    But WHY did Jesus bother with sinners? Was it to “Relate” to them? or was it to LEAD them.

    I would suggest that it was the latter. But did Jesus TOLERATE company that constantly engaged in SIN?

    Absolutely not. Jesus constantly REBUKED his disciples when they erred.

    Also, Jesus allowed sinners who were REPENTANT (meaning willing to do right) to be in his presence. Not just ALL Sinners as you claim.

    If it were so, why didn’t Jesus just go to a sooth-Sayer (witch) and tell him to follow him and be his disciple?

    Now I say this to make a point, there is nothing wrong with being in DARK places if you are there to shine your light — but as far as being there just to BE THERE — I and the Bible have a problem with this.

    “Evil communication corrupts good manners” (1 Corin 15:33)

    Lecrae constantly refers to his unsaved friends being “turned up” or “burnt up” — yet he doesn’t REBUKE, instead he “Tolerates”.

    This is NOT what we are called to do. We are called to FLEE from all manner of ungodliness. (1 Thes. 5:22)

    Now the question becomes, Should Lecrae align himself with Sinners who AREN’T trying to follow after the example of Christ?

    I answer this with a question, If a man is not interested in the Light — How can he therefore be LEAD to it?

    Give it some thought.

  • unconcerned

    This is a wack article. You sound very much like a hypocrite.

    I’m sure Lecrae is speaking of you and the likes of people such as yourself…

    That is all

  • This is sad to see. And for the record, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH 90% of this piece. It’s amazing how two ppl looking at the same thing could see two completely different pictures. Having been a fan of Lecrae the artist and an admirer of Lecrae the man for awhile (in fact, God used his music to dramatically affect my life), I’ve enjoyed witnessing the growth in his music. The lyrics you quoted to paint an ugly pic about Crae’s motives ARE OUT OF CONTEXT – which raises questions about your motives behind this piece in the first place. It also raises questions about your ability to discern righteously and flat out raises questions about your own integrity. I leave you with this: Jesus talked harshest to the “religious thinking ppl” of His day…NOT the flat out “unsaved sinner.” So when you hear folks like Crae, Bizzle, & others talk harshly about hypocrisy within the church (while other “gospel genres” remain silent)…THEY are actually acting MORE LIKE JESUS than the behavior you are trying to pass on as “Christ-like.” Lastly, my “brother”, it’s folks like you that do stuff like this that keep ppl running FROM Christ. It used to run me off. That is, til I met Jesus for myself. Be blessed, “brother.” In love. ~ DJ DMD (…I ain’t hard to find.)

  • King CJ

    I agree. His lyrics & approach has water-downed since when he first came out. Also, I notice his videos are laced with underlying symbolism. Not sure if he himself notices or he has control over his production. But his videos are being influenced by the world.

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment CJ,
      I too noticed some unusual symbolism within his videos.

  • dlundy1

    I am beginning to notice that most opposition to this post is coming from Fans of Lecrae who are not actually Christians.

    So please understand the following…

    Everyone is free to express their thoughts and opinions without fear of ridicule or insult — So please share your thoughts yet please also be respectful of the opinions of others
    (no matter whether you agree or disagree.)

    Abuse, Insults, or explicit comments are not permitted on this blog (as per our comment policy)

    So please share and express your thoughts in a professional and educated manner.

    Thanks!

    – ADMIN

    • Laura S

      just because someone does not agree with your idea of Christianity 100% doesn’t make them “not actually a Christian”

      the main point is Christ is our Savior, anything else you agree with or don’t agree with only matters on earth, not in heaven

      you’re preaching the wrong message if you’re deleting comments that aren’t your idea of “Christian”

      • dlundy1

        Laura,

        Your understanding is faulty.
        My idea of “Christian” is someone who believes that Jesus is the son of God and was raised from the dead.

        Therefore your comment

        “Just because someone does not agree with your idea of Christianity 100% doesn’t make them ‘not actually a Christian'”

        Is false — (1 John 2:22).

        With that being said, Your issue with comments being deleted is totally irrelevant. The comment clearly states why comments will be deleted.
        – Foul language, Personal Attacks, Insults, Spam, Etc.

        It has nothing to do with dictating the comments to sway in the favor of the article — if that were the case 75% of the comments on this post would have been deleted. (make sense?)

        • TJ Liwanag

          I think she was responding to your “I am beginning to notice that most opposition to this post is coming from Fans of Lecrae who are not actually Christians” comment. How can you be so sure thats the case?

          • dlundy1

            because their stance on issues does not align with the teachings of Jesus.

  • Kenneth Solace Seeker

    Just wanted to weigh in, i am a Christian and follower of Christ first and a Lecrae Fan second and i just want to say i see a transition in his music lets say from RebeL to Anomaly now with that being said i dont belive He has sold out to the enemy but there is a shift, where that shift is coming from i cannot tell you but i pray for all Christian artist i work with on a daily the temptation must be overwhelming at times but the Creator is bigger i recently seen Lecrae live on the Anomaly Tour and he really Took the time to encourage and talk with us in the crowd and i felt like he is still a man after God’s heart..

    • dlundy1

      Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts Kenneth, I too believe that Lecrae still has a heart after God.

      Lets keep him in prayer!

  • Ricky Olmos

    This
    article is junk and the misleading title could be considered print libel. No real evidence, or sources…simply a very
    manipulative speculation of Lecrae’s music and new-found fame. The
    “quote” used in the title above is extremely manipulative. It was taken from a
    song where he is using the artistic approach of rapping from another
    person’s perspective. And this line from the article really bothers me: “Although we are
    all aware that there are many “crooks” in some churches today, why would
    Lecrae publicize it to an unbelieving world?” So what would the author
    have us do? Hide each and every scar the church has from the public eye?
    Just brush our mistakes under the rug? And lastly, the traditional idea
    of the “Christian music genre” is fading. Many artists don’t want to
    put their music in a box that only Christians can listen to.
    Christianity, last I checked, is a faith, a belief, a way of life – not a
    genre stamp. Most music that falls into the “Christian music genre”
    touches on only the highest, holiest percent of the Christian faith.
    Everything is heaven and salvation and redemption – And that’s great.
    That’s the foundation of it all, but there’s so much more! Where are the
    lyrics about difficulty, hurt, loss, temptation. There is a lot to say
    inside the walls of the church, but also a lot to say outside them as
    well. “Christian” music artists are always scrutinized for trying to
    distance themselves from the genre. But never is a plumber, who is a
    christian scrutinized for not having a cross patched on his sleeve, or a
    police officer who is a christian for not wearing a cross on his neck,
    or an accountant who is a christian for not having a Bible on his desk.
    You can’t see the faith of these professionals in the physical. They
    show it through actions. Only in the arts is there this clear divide of
    secular and sanctified.

  • BenjaminJWD

    So, I thought that I would point out that Lecrae posted a video talking about Devil in Disguise before it was released. If you want to see what he said about the song click the link.

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10151717595790222

    Notice the date on the video is before the original posting of this article.

    I found this on an article that talks about articles just like this one.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/lecrae-questions-judgmental-christians-in-viral-facebook-post-asks-if-our-critiques-tear-down-or-build-and-restore-107691/

    I figure, why defend or admonish someone without context.

  • vizzy

    A true artist will nvr be able 2 be confined in a box… He goes through things in this world like everyone else… If he wants to talk about the spirit in one song and what’s going on in the world in the nxt, then let him… You’re getting upset with a painter 4 painting an apple instead of painting a new picture of Jesus over and over again… Smh

  • Pastor Michael D McDuffie

    Pray for LECRAE…HE NEEDS COVERING…PRAYER AND WISDOM !!!KINGDOM IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRISTIANITY… (WHICH JESUS NEVER CALLED US)….!JESUS CHRIST PREACH KINGDOM !MANY PREACHERS AND MANY MINISTRIES PREACH JESUS CHRIST ;BUT NOT THE MESSAGE THAT JESUS CHRIST PREACH (DR.MYLES Munroe. .Quote)….!!There is no such thing as a Christian Dr ;Christian lawyer;or Christian mechanic.. (This is western cililization religion)..!There should just be Doctors;lawyers and mechanics who are Christians
    !!!kingdom entails all …not some !!!He just needs more wisdom;knowledge;understanding and experience; so he wont compromise kingdom law ;as a disciple of Christ Jesus!Www.mightbroadcastddv.com

  • Yvonne

    I have never heard of this singer but will pray for him that he finds his way back to Christian music n a relationship with God. The influeances of the world haver a strong pull the devil will paint a beautiful picture to lure u into his world. I am not a Christian rap music lover give me Southern Gospel any day. Keep ur eyes on the skies.

  • Melisha keyes

    Talk about taking things out of context. Didn’t jesus desire to go to sinners house and eat with them? Like Andy Mineo’s said I wanna go where the wild things are, meaning the unsaved, ungodly and unjust. We can’t sit in our bubbles and wait for God to move, Jesus taught the kingdom of God is at hand, in our hearts. We sit and judge people who are sharing the Gospel to people you can’t reach, Some of the disciples argued about not preaching to the gentiles, but a few felt God was leading them to. Lets not bash, spread rumors or Gossip about another believer. We don’t judge where they are at but where they are going and what they are doing. I’ve followed Lecrae since his first album. He talks about real issues Christian and non a like deal with. Lets not act like we are perfect. His one single non-fiction talks about his personal issues in a real sense.
    When David was being chased by Saul, he gathered men who were distress, debt and discontented. 1 Sam 22:1-5.

  • Ash

    I think this post was created with total misunderstanding and ignorance of what I believe Lecrae’s intention to be. I his song “Church Clothes”, those lyrics are in relative terms, in the mindset of those who go to church without the proper focus. It’s not in any way saying that’s how he feels. Secondly, his choice to go mainstream instead of being labeled as a “Christian” rapper is a brilliant idea. He’s stepping outside the box and taking the limits off. That way he is able to infiltrate the system in order to influence the system. He’s not changing his beliefs, his foundational principles or anything. He’s just changing his approach. I think it’ very wise. He’s using his God given talent, abilities and gifts and finding more creative ways to serve them to the world. Using different perspectives in his music to reach those who otherwise my be automatically thrown off by the “Christian rapper” label. “I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be wise as serpents and innocent as doves (Matthew 10:16). That’s what he’s doing. Culture will always try to manipulate intentions and situations. May GOD bless Lecrae!

  • Joshua

    I’m not a huge fan of Lecrae. I’m from the West Coast and he’s a little too down south sounding for me, although I did appreciate his lyrics on his old stuff (haven’t really bumped his new stuff).

    That being said, I disagree with much in this article.

    I worry that the shocking title is a way to get more readers (media outlets are known to do that, and you gotta be cautious about that temptation).

    Much of this article is speculation, and I think a lot of those lyrics are taken out of context. I think this article is a prime example of what Isaiah was talking about when those who try to correct existing evils in the church are attacked for “a word” and a thing of nothing – small stuff and trying to trip them up in their words:

    “That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.” Isaiah 29:21

    Artists, like Lecrae, often speak from another’s perspective in songs. He did that in Welcome to America. Was Lecrae doing that in the lyric that forms the title of this article? If he is still claiming to be a Christian (and that’s what he emphatically states: “I am a Christian. I am a rapper. But Christian is my faith, not my genre.”), then those lyrics must’ve been from another perspective or to make a strong poetic point (like when Paul says he wishes he was cursed for the Jews sake, he didn’t really mean he wanted to be lost).

    There’s no need to speculate if the man is still a Christian. He says point blank that he is. Overly reading in to his lyrics and coming to conclusions that are opposite of what the artists says they mean is irresponsible. Has he begun to not act like a Christian? Is anything he’s doing sinful? If not, then don’t speculate. Secular music, if it doesn’t go against Christ, is not a sin. “For he that is not against us is on our part.” Mark 9:40

    Furthermore, the article seems to suggest that pointing out sins in the church is wrong. I’d like to point out the hypocrisy of calling someone out – for calling others out. If its wrong for Lecrae to put others on blast, its wrong for you to do it as well. You ask what good will come from publicizing the church’s mistakes, but I ask what good will come from speculating about Lecrae leaving the faith without solid evidence that this is true? Indeed, solid evidence suggests otherwise.

    But its not always wrong to point out sin in the church. In fact Scripture commands that we do so, at times. I don’t agree with Lecrae’s tone, but I will defend the need for exposing evils in the church.

    More could be said, but I’ll stop there. And I would be clear that none of this is meant in a harmful tone, but just straight truth as I see it, so no offense intended. Grace and peace.

  • Joshua

    Wait so you just delete comments when you don’t agree?
    I was respectful and stated my points clearly, and just deleted?
    I noticed some others who disagreed are also removed. Smh

    • dlundy1

      I just checked and have confirmed that none of your comments have violated our Comment policy, therefore none of your comments have been deleted.

      But sorry you are experiencing trouble,
      please try re-posting comment.

  • Marshall

    I think the song “church clothes” went way over your head. He’s speaking as someone who is making excuses for not wanting to go to church and then says that they don’t want to hear that because it might mean life change.

  • Keith

    The song you quote is a satire about a specific type of non christian. This is not autobiographical. When Lecrae says “I’d rather sell my soul than save it.” He’s pointing out the foolishness of today’s culture. It is sad that you missed the point and created an entire article to smear your brother in Christ. God is using Lecrae as a very bright light in a very perverse and corrupt genre.

  • Jenny Bobo

    I have a real problem with this article. IF Lecrae was sinning/doing wrong, you should go to him PRIVATELY and talk to him about it…not “call him out publicly on the internet for everyone to see.” Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between
    you and him ALONE. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.” It’s one thing if you were calling him out to be a false prophet. This he is definitely not. I gather you refer to him as a brother in Christ….treat him as such. How would you feel if he posted a similar article about you?

    Honestly in the past 5 months I’ve kept up with Lecrae, there’s not ONE TIME I can remember where he didn’t talk about Jesus. People here and in your article talk about “catching” Lecrae with questionable people in questionable places. Um, last time I checked, Jesus ate with taxpayers, befriended prostitutes, and loved on lepers. Why would Lecrae only expose himself to just Christians. We already have Jesus….the rest of the world needs Jesus!

    I pray all the time for Lecrae, that the world would not taint him with this new popularity and that his brothers and sisters in Christ wouldn’t try to drag him down and nit-pick at everything he does. The devil is loving this article cuz we’re all fighting/arguing/disagreeing over someone ELSE’S heart.

    Work on your own planks, Deon…and let Lecrae work on his.

    • dlundy1

      Jenny, the scripture you used must be taken in context.

      Obviously the Apostle Paul did not mean for a Christian to track down the location of another person and buy a plane ticket and fly to their location unannounced just to discuss a disagreement.

      You must understand the SPIRIT of what Paul is saying, not the LITERAL.

      The Spirit of what Paul is saying is…

      “If you have a problem with a brother, don’t publicly try to shame him — instead try to win him back”

      With that being said, the article clearly states that it was not written as an attempt to shame Lecrae — Instead as an attempt to win him back.

      Therefore the entire premise of your comment is mis-targeted.

      • Jenny Bobo

        While I respect your answer, Deon, I do not agree. You do not have to meet with Lecrae in person to reach out to him. He has many ways of receiving messages. While you were not TRYING to shame Lecrae, you’re judging his heart instead of speaking to him first. What if this was one of your close friends? Would you put this out on the web? If I was your friend, I’d be horribly embarrassed…and feel like I was put in a corner. I disagree with your perspective of him. To me he has shown no evidence of “rejecting the church.” I think you’re taking his content out of context as well. He himself has said that the speaker in his songs is not always him. Take Welcome to America for instance. He tells a story of different people’s view of our country.

  • Laura S

    You know that the song “Church Clothes” was written in order to show the thought-process for Lecrae as a typical guy in the urban community before he was a Christian, right? The entire church clothes mixtape is focused around what people outside the church think of those who are in it. Also, he prefers to be labeled as rapper who is a Christian because then secular rap fans will at least give him a shot. Jesus hung out with sinners and blasphemers, Lecrae is doing the same thing in order influence Jesus on them. This article is based upon things that aren’t even true. If you’re going to write an article about conspiracy theories, you should at least label it as such. I’m a very religious Christian and it makes me very sad how low you talk of Lecrae and his great music which happens to be growing and effecting more and more non-believers. If you’re running a Christian website, you shouldn’t post rude and disrespectful things like this. This is untrue and unprofessional.

  • Kael

    I agree with Deon on his insight of the previous albums that have been released by Lecrae. I very much listen to “Christian Urban Worship” or “Gospel rap” “Christian Rap” but am more attracted to “Worship”. I began listening to Lecrae around when I was saved. I was attracted to the inner works of the Holy Spirit of God through His transforming power in Lecrae’s songs. He is talented. But then after a few more weeks of discovering songs I did not know were on the streams, I was curious to hear more of his experiences. For some reason I felt as if these (new to me) songs were void and without message. I felt saddened in my heart to not feel what I first felt previously in his songs. Lecrae is a great person but I pray for clear vision of the spiritual, and discernment over the enemies scheme. “My people perish for lack of knowledge”… & many are being led astray from the Way and the Truth. Not comparing any “artists” but one “urban worshipper” that has a Jesus centered in focus and a Holy Spirit filled mindset leading lost souls to Christ is “S.O”- view the message of this man of God and compare the lyrics (not the artists) with one another. See who’s really spreading what message. God is not the Author of confusion. Let us keep every talented person in prayer, and believe in Jesus that no one would turn astray. Let them be the small on earth, or those under the eye loop of media. God bless you all. …. Kaelrodriguez4@gmail.com

    • dlundy1

      Thanks for your comment Kael,

      Although there are many people who agree with this article — many of them will not comment and state so simply because they don’t want to be attacked.

      You sir/mam are one of the few who are brave enough to voice your opinion.

      God bless you

  • Stephen Robertson

    If anyones actions could be “deemed questionable” it is Deon’s. “But if they are not going to Church, where are they going to hear the word of God at? In the Streets? In the Clubs?” YES! We must take the gospel to them because they will not come of their own accord. That whole Jesus Hangout section was just outright blasphemous. “Jesus did NOT hang around non-believers –But they hung around Him.” Like what Bible did you get that from? Christ LEFT Heaven to “Hangout” with us or better stated, to die to appease the Holy God, so that in turn God would be praised completely by all the nations. And if you want a Bible verse not taken out of context. Matt. 9:11 “And when the Pharisees[Deon] saw this, they said to his disciples. ‘Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?’ But when he heard it, he said. ‘Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.'” Unlike your Mark 6:30 which you took out of context, where people were not attracted to Christ’s “light” but rather because he fed them. John 6:26 makes that very clear; he fead the 5000 in the parallel passage in Mark 6, then he walks on water that night and in the morn the crowds seek Jesus to which he says “… you are seeking me not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.” Then he tells them to eat and drink his flesh and blood- to which John 6:66 says, “After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.” Now you tell me Deon, who was seeking who? You cannot tell me that Christ’s methods didn’t work, we are still here 2000 years later following him. Lecrae has diminished no light, only the “Christian name” has he forsaken which is as you put it “According to the Bible, It is not what we say that matters – It is what we do.” And Lecrae does as Christ and Pual in 1st cor. 9:19-23 “…I have become all things to all people, that by ALL MEANS I might save some…” Deon, reading your article just hurt my heart from the negativity toward Lecrae and his ministry to your bad representation of lyrical meaning and biblical context. Just don’t next time, because your actions can be “deemed questionable.”

  • Tanner

    If you read the entire book of 2 Corinthians instead of just taking a verse out of context, it becomes pretty evident that Paul is urging the Corinthians to not be “yoked together” with false prophets, people who are preaching something different, to the people of Corinth, than the resurrection. Paul is reminding the Corinthians that those who come with a message of nonsense, or a message that goes against who God really is should be ignored, and that the Corinthians should stick with the message that Paul (a person who actually encountered God) brought to them. The dead will be raised, brokenness will be healed, and God is making all things new. Darkness in this text is a word used to describe false prophets, and people who speak for God but are ignorant of him. Makes me wonder if this article might need to go in a similar category. You can’t in one breath accept the great commission to go into “all the world”, and in the next breath claim that that excludes people who are living a lifestyle you don’t agree with (those going to the club). Props to Lecrae for going into a world that most Christians are running away from. I look forward to the day when more Christ followers will be bold enough to pursue people who may never step foot through a church door instead of hiding behind their self righteousness and throwing stones at the culture.

  • Sione

    This article says alot. I did enjoy your writing style and how you brought up alot of evidence to support it. I too am a follower of Christ and enjoy studying His Word and researching, so I appreciate how you wrote this article. I hope you were ready for all the negative comments you’d get. Lol.

    His lyrics do contradict what perspective he’s claiming to rap from. What benefit would a “believer” or “non-believer” gain from this? Lacrae is not only a creative lyricist but a careful and intellectual o e as well. It’s proven in his earlier albums and video teachings such as “13 letters”. So why write something so contradicting?

    And for all the big Lacrae fans out there and myself being one as well… you know very well why it should bring up a lot of questions when asked… why would someone who proclaimed Christ so hard and made it everything about his style… not want to be labeled a “Christian” rapper? It doesn’t sound like the Lacrae I use to listen too from the beginning.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m still a fan, but I choose not to be closed minded on this. Alot of Christians are scared to ask or even accept that something may be wrong with the person they admire or look up too. But history is very clear, to much association with the world, no matter what intentions you have, can lead to ruin. 1Corinthians 15:33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” I will be praying for him. Hang in there bro. Dont let this den of lambs get you down. Thanks for the read!

    • dlundy1

      Great comment Sione,
      thank you for voicing your opinion!

  • Brandon

    You officially have created the most trolling article of all time. Lecrae is absolutely without a doubt a sincere Christian and can reach more people than a city full of pastors. Go kick rocks and stop criticizing things you obviously know nothing about.

  • Stephen Robertson

    yea my comment on the verses taken out of context in this article were definitely deleted

    • dlundy1

      Yes Stephen, your comment was deleted.

      Usually we try to remove offensive parts of comments, but yours actually contained too many personal attacks on the article as well as the writer to be excused.

      You are welcome to try again, but this time be sure to comply with our comment policy.

      Check it out here: http://tinyurl.com/pka9vcr

      Meaning, Share your opinion yet be respectful of the opinions of others. Also no insults or name-calling.

      Thanks!
      -ADMIN

  • THE CALLING

    ALL OF YOU SHOULD SHUT UP AND FOCUS ON YOUR OWN MINISTRIES……….. AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IN THESE LAST DAYS WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE DOING GREAT WORKS WHEN WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. WHETHER THE MAN IS FAKE OR REAL, CHRISTIAN OR BHUDDIST IF HE IS DECLARING CHRIST AND THE GOSPEL THEN IT DON’T MATTER. LECRAE IS DOING THIS FOR HIMSELF OKAY, HE WASN’T BORN WITH 50 SOULS IN HIM! I RESPECT YOUR VIEWS BUT YOU ARE CAUSING CONFLICT RATHER THAN INSPIRING PEOPLE TO PRAY FOR HIM. YES, THE ILLUMINAT IS AN OCCULT SO DON’T FORGET THAT WE WRESTLE NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD! SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE SPIRITUAL ATTACKS THE MAN MIGHT ENCOUTER. SO I ADVISE THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU CHOOSE EXPOSE THESE THINGS TRY USING THE RIGHT APPROACH. AND BY THE WAY DEON VERSUS EARTH THE MAN DOES NEED HELP BUT RIGHT ALL WE CAN DO IS TO PRAY FOR HIM……BECAUSE 99PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE AGREEING OR DISAGREEING NEED TO WAKEUP AND WORK.

  • John

    I sadly don’t think you understand Lecrae because I see you don’t understand the Bible.

    “What does the Bible have to say about fellowship with Unbelievers?

    “(2 Corinthians 6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what friendship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what agreement hath light with darkness?

    Here we can clearly see that the Bible discourages such activity. ”

    Emphasis yours. “This activity” being having fellowship with non-believers.

    Your article sites Scripture out of context in an attempt to belittle a fellow Christian (a practice you condemn in this very article.)

    Paul is speaking to the end of intermarrying with idolatrous people. He’s warning Christians against such a practice. Being married is being yoked.

    If you cannot rightly divide the Word, you should not think yourself able to divide the thoughts of man, nor publish your opinions publicly on the internet.

  • Jed

    1)The church clothes series focal point is based off the views non-christians and people who claim to be Christians but do not follow christ all. The lyrics you have pointed out have been taken out of context if you go on youtube Lecrae has interview to the leadup to the release of the church cloths album where he specifies that this designed these mixtapes for the main stream audience rather then his Christian audience which albums like anonmoly and rebel and gravity are catered towards his Christian fan ; His rapping with this point of view of which people who have misconceptions of the church and thought process of non-beleiver further more you didn’t take the mixtape as a whole if you did you would see many lines that talk about problem he faced in his past that lead him to the lord and now his giving these listeners reason to make an effort in try to make relationship with Jesus. what he’s trying to do is give an invite to the lost to know the Lord.

    2) his want to get rid of the people of type casting him a “Christain Rapper” because he is a Rapper in general his rapping about life, problems and thoughts and its because his faith if a big influence in his life, his lyrics naturally relate to have a Christian themes. It like calling Leonardo Da Vinci a Christian Artist, because he painted the Last Supper but that would be putting a labeling him because he did more then painting the Last Supper. Leonardo wasn’t just an art for just Christians, he was in making art for everyone. Just like how Lecrae is a rapper in general his not making music for just Christians his music is for everyone.

    3) this article has jumped the gun making an issue out of nothing which is dangerous as it leading to many misconceptions which is firstly messy with someones livelihood and secondly reputation. while it’s good you are showing worry for Lecrea salvation more research could of save the embarrassment of making question Lecrea motives. lastly i feel the way you went about the title of the article was bad I know you did it so it would more views but quoting out of context is very harmful and the title of just ” is Lecrae leaving the Church?” would been enough to generate views for the topic. As Christian we should be building each other up not tearing one another down and that what i feel this articles title did.

    Is Lecrae leaving the Church?
    Is Lecrae leaving the Church?
    Is Lecrae leaving the Church?

    • Jed

      sorry for the spam on the bottom of comment the was me cut and pasting the title and thinking it was doing nothing.

  • Shane

    I’m a bit confused… Your entire problem with Lecrae seemed to be based on the lyrics he was singing and thus you determined he had fallen away from Christ and was promoting a sinful message. But later in your update, you say that you’re glad to hear that he has come back in the right direction since your post. The problem is.. he’s still singing the same songs with the same lyrics. So if he’s currently back “on track”, but he’s still singing the same songs, maybe there wasn’t a problem with the songs to begin with.

    • dlundy1

      Hey Shane, thanks for your comment.

      Although the lyrics in some of his songs may be deemed questionable by some, the fact that he is still promoting the gospel of Christ at his concerts is a good sign nonetheless. It shows that he is still striving.

  • Gortron

    Ironically, this article is an example of what the lyrics were talking about. The hypocrisy of someone who tells you that God is the only one who can judge a person, who then immediately turns and looks down on someone for being “less christian” than them is unbearable.

    • dlundy1

      Your analysis of the article is flawed and illogical.

      At no point does the article “look down” on Lecrae in any sense of the phrase. Yet how you came to such a conclusion is beyond understanding.

      Nevertheless we thank you for offering your thoughts.

      – ADMIN

      • Gortron

        Then I’ll explain to you how I arrived at that conclusion. The entire article is about Lecrae supposedly moving away from God, and how it was disappointing. To be disappointed in someones actions means that you believe they aren’t following the right course of action. You can either try to understand and help said person, or you can distance yourself from them. In my experiences with multiple churches, and Christian organizations the latter option is usually chosen. The article took the latter option as well. There was no attempt to understand Lecrae or where he was coming from, it just took everything at face value and said “This doesn’t sound exactly like what everyone else believes, I better denounce this”. I can’t say exactly what it is, but there’s an undertone of something like pity or judgement to the whole thing. I may be wrong, but at least now you understand my line of reasoning.

  • Travis Koop

    This is so terrible. Nothing but slander. You are seeing what you want to see.

  • Justin

    This article is ridiculous. After what you said about the song church clothes, i stopped reading. Satan is the master of manipulation; are you sure he doesnt have his hands on you? Because if you would have quoted the rest of the song, you would see that he is referencing the excuses ppl give as to why they arent going to church, not Lecrae himself. And his decision to go mainstream was to reach a whole new audience.
    Lecrae featured two mainstream rappers that i know of, B.o.B and BIG Krit. B.o.B is the son of a pastor who has battled with his faith and you can see it in his music. BIG Krit isnt your Money, cars, hoes kinda rapper. He has his faith but also battles with it. Lecrae sampled beats from ppl like K Dot [Kendrick Lamar] but hasnt done songs with him. He’s friends with K Dot but has called him out in songs calling him a poser, saying he didnt do the stuff he did.
    Get ya facts straight homie

    • dlundy1

      You stated that Lecrae went mainstream to reach a larger audience — that is about as logical as Jesus becoming friends with the Pharisees to reach their followers.

      Just doesn’t make sense from a spiritual stand-point.

    • dlundy1

      You stated that Lecrae went mainstream to reach a larger audience — that is about as logical as Jesus becoming friends with the Pharisees just so he could reach their followers.

      Just doesn’t make sense from a spiritual stand-point

      How many NEW followers would Jesus have gotten if he had the Pharisees to ENDORSE him?

      Well then why didn’t Jesus do this?

      He didn’t do this because his purpose was not to reach a “Whole new Audience” — It was to reach all those whom God has called…

      (John 17:1 KJV) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

      (John 17:6 KJV) I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”

      (John 17:9-10 KJV) “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.”

      Jesus did NOT call us to reach the world because the world cannot be reached. Jesus clearly indicated this in his prayer when he stated that he was not praying for the world.

      Instead we are called to preach the gospel. Only GOD can do the reaching.

      But thanks for your comment.

      • Justin

        You clearly didn’t understand. Lecraes music is “mainstream” with Christians messages. He features 3 Christian artists on his album. He’s reaching out to an audience that wouldn’t normally hear his Christian rap. So don’t be so quick to attack bro

      • Justin

        You also didn’t touch on anything else I said. So did you actually read it? Or are you commenting here to throw scripture at ppl so you can give the appearance that you are spiritually in tune and biblically educated?

      • Justin

        Poor analogy as well. The “main stream” ppl don’t claim to be religious. Jesus walked with killers, thieves and prostitutes……who listens to main stream hip hop? The answer is a lot of ppl. People he can relate to. So he’s doing what God called him to do, and that’s use his talent to witness to the masses. Go listen to “background” and tell me if you think he’s walking out of God’s favor. Just listen to his music period! So what I said is, in fact, logical

        • dlundy1

          You stated that Lecrae is going “mainstream” with his Christian message,
          This would be nice — but I have noticed less and less of “Christ” actually being mentioned in his music. But that is not to say that he doesn’t “Sprinkle” it on a few songs every now and again.

          ———————————

          You stated that I didn’t address anything else you said, this is correct.

          The reason being that much of what you said was Opinion. Because opinions are personally held beliefs and convictions — they can only be disagreed with.

          Although I can present points to refute your opinion, at the end of the day only you can formulate your own opinions.
          ——————–

          You Stated that Jesus walked with killers thieves and prostitutes, this is inaccurate if not a gross misrepresentation.

          Jesus walked with FORMER killers, FORMER thieves and FORMER prostitutes who forsook their former lives to follow him.

          But I assure you he was not walking or breaking bread with someone who goes out and murders priests every night.

          God seeks after all those who have a heart to do what is right. These were the men that Jesus sought out.

          If a Christians sins — that doesn’t make them a SINNER.
          Instead they are a Christian who has sinned, in Gods eyes.

          Likewise if a WICKED man does good, that doesn’t make him a good man.
          Instead he is just a wicked man that has done a good deed.

          My point is this, There is nothing wrong with communicating with those who DESIRE righteousness and to do that which is right — these were the people that Jesus kept in his presence.

          But we must make a clear distinction between those who are TRYING to do what is right and those who could care less about living in a way that honors God.

          • Justin

            Wow, i had no idea that you were the writer! Please tell me why you didnt quote the rest of church clothes? That honestly baffles me bro. Because if you listen to the entire song, you can see what he’s saying. But instead you take it out of context and slander a man that has dedicated his life to the gospel. Do you know Lecrae has had offers to sign with big labels like MMG and make secular Hip-hop, but chose to stay the christian route? I dont understand why youre attacking this man bro. Guy bellow me made a good point. Im praying for you man. Thats wrong

          • Justin

            I know now you are arguing stuff just to argue. To say what I was saying was wrong, “he walked with FORMER….”, come on bro, really? Clearly the ones that followed him changed their ways. But not every person came to him changed. He convicted people, and saved them.
            Again, the point of what Lecrae is doing is to attract the crowd that doesnt listen to Christian music. He wants to draw them in. Give clean hip-hop that isnt polluting peoples minds. Instead of his usual, spiritual centered music, he’s giving messages, (songs that still have artists like For King and Country and Kari Jobe), that isnt promoting sex, drugs and ignorance.
            If you like an artist, whats the first thing you do? Most look up more songs from that person. What are Lecraes’ other songs ENTIRELY about? Chirst. If you dont like the man, dont listen bro. Dont attack when you dont know. And PLEASE dont argue with me about the nothingness you are. Each response has less to do with the initial point

          • dlundy1

            Your comment was again filled with opinionated / biased statements — but I nonetheless I respect your personal opinions.

            Thank you for sharing.

  • Benjamin Kern

    Jon Foreman from Switchfoot just recently announced the same about himself not wanting to be labeled a “Christian Music Artist”. It keeps people from being exposed to the art that music is…it creates a wall. It puts a box on the artist and their art. Brooke Fraser from Hillsong United did the same thing i am pretty sure. If you listen to the art that these folks have created and don’t try and pick it apart you will know that they are genuine about their love for the Lord Jesus and that their desire to not be labeled “christian music artist” is because they want to reach as many people as they can …just like Lacrea’s label “reach records” implys.
    Deon…i think you are missing the big picture bro. I think you are missing what is important. You are not looking at the whole picture but just taking little things that raise a red flag for you and focusing on that. This is like taking a verse from the Word and not considering the context of the writing or the audience.

  • thetimguy

    This is slander and gossip. Things that God hates. You should repent and remove this article. If you want to confront lecrea then you should go to him personally, not post gossip and create division on the internet.

  • Linda Acosta

    I am just a mom who doesn’t like rap but I listen to what my son listens to and Lecrae is the “real thing”. A brother IN Christ living in the world but trying to live “not of this world”. He is trying to be a light in the darkness to people who are in darkness. God has given him a huge platform to reach the lost who struggle with the same things that he came out of. But he reaches beyond the typical “broken” to kid’s like my son who recognize a “real” believer who despite his broken past sees Christ as his savior and redeemer and wants to live his life for Him. Listen to his new album Anomaly and stop misjudging him. Actually the bible says do not judge lest you be judged. And quoting Lecrae “ain’t a soul on this planet that’s better than another” “and we all need grace in the face of each other” Broken-Anomaly

  • Jack Patrick

    Before reading my comments, I encourage you to read this brief article from the lead singer of Switchfoot, Jon Foreman. He is a christian and was asked the question “Is Switchfoot a christian band?” http://whizzpopping.tumblr.com/post/6664742872/jon-foreman-when-asked-if-switchfoot-is-a

    No need to panic of Lecrae switching his title from “Christian Rapper” to “Rapper”.

    Second, who are we to accuse Lecrae of publicly lying about the meaning of HIS songs. What he claims (and what I believe) his songs are about provide great insight to what non-believers views are towards Christianity and overall great, christ-centered spirit.

    My third point is Lecrae’s relationship with modern day evangelists. Lecrae has done work with people like Francis Chan, Louie Giglio, and John Piper, before and after Lecrae released Church Clothes Vol 1 & 2. Lecrae has even done work with Billy Graham, the christian voice of America. After the release of Church Clothes, Billy Graham had Lecrae as one of the testimonies in his famous outreach, “My Hope America”. If Billy Graham and other Christ centered men are willing to collaborate with Lecrae post Church Clothes, then I trust their judgment that Lecrae is a God fearing man who is a great example for modern day America.

    Am I a Lecrae fan? Yes, a huge one. Am I a blind follower of his work? No. I trust his judgement and the judgment of Billy Graham. If Lecrae’s claims are true (which I believe to be) then his music is an eye opening message of the stigmas non believers have on Christians and are a great piece of worship music. I see no reason to doubt his intentions. Until Lecrae openly lives an Unbiblical life style, then I will continue to be a fan and supporter of his.

  • dlundy1

    Firstly thanks for your comment.

    Secondly, you have done a lot of mental “tap dancing” in an attempt to justify secularization.

    You claim that Jesus hung around the lost and the broken, But I must present you with the question… Why didn’t he hang around the Pharisees?

    SURELY they were more lost than his own disciples.

    The answer is, he did not hang around them because they were not repentant.

    “Perfection” is NOT the key, REPENTANT is the key.

    Yes, No one is righteous — but does that mean that NO ONE will be accepted into the kingdom of God.?

    Of course not, Although NO ONE is righteous — those who seek Jesus and turn away from their sin will be accepted of GOD despite their lack.

    Yet you imply that there is no difference between the REPENTANT and the Ungodly. Instead you lump them all into the same category which is highly inappropriate from a Biblical perspective.

    You stated that Lecrae is trying to win new converts by partnering with the ungodly — this is asinine.

    All those people who flocked to secular artists flocked to them for a reason — because their words and their message MATCHED the spirit that they are currently in.

    Yet you think that by Lecrae partnering with these artists he is going to “attract” them over because he now as the approval of a secular artist — that is absurd.

    Following your same logic, Jesus would have been more successful if he convinced the Pharisees to PROMOTE him to their followers.

  • luke

    I don’t know if I necessary agree with this. I know all of the lyrics by heart and what he’s missing is the context of the songs.

    Yes he is rapping from the point of view of a non believer, BECAUSE HE USED TO BE ONE. He’s writing a narrative that basically makes the one listening, the one singing the song. Is he doing collaborations with secular artists? Yes.

    But those collaborations, like the one with b.o.b. we’re totally clean and actually have meaning.

    There are artists like tech n9ne who are trying to spread a positive message and if you look deeply at their lyrics they’re searching because they see good but aren’t sure where it comes from. Mabey lecrae is the door, he’s being placed by God into situations that allow him to reach these “super stars who need nothing, cause their life is together”

    This world is becoming a nasty place quick, and it seems we are scared to be associated with anyone that isn’t blatantly christian.

    It’s lecraes job, when you go to work every morning you work with people who do things, who say things who believe much much differently than you. You still work with them, “collaborate” with projects your given to accomplish. I don’t see lecrae s world as anything more than a giant cubical. We live that every day. So let’s stop being so antagonistic because a dude is making money and reaching out to those who think “life’s all good cause I’m rich” there’s not a single one of us who could even talk to them because of our social status unfortunately. Let him do his God given job.

  • Chloe Mowrey

    I think that this is a bunch of junk. You took his words and used them against him. You don’t get what he’s all about. I listened to his music and was changed! He’s still super awesome.